is it me or have the 92 stock improved?

Seen a couple of units with cold white instead of warm white lighting but most of the other stocks had this done a couple of years ago,why is the Central so slow?

I'd say it's you ajax the warrior. Or perhaps you got on a clean one. Really, the internals are in a dreadful state, and so are the externals, don't know which is worse, and of course the vandalism doesn't help.

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These are still by far my least favourite tube stock, but I note they do seem a bit tidier these days. At least most of the carriage lights work nowadays, anyway. At one stage it seemed like almost every other light in the carirage was busted. Does anyone know why so many of their lights seemed to fail so often?

Can someone please remind us why the motors were falling off?

I can't confirm this but I heard the investigation into the problem initially focused on poor inspection and maintenance of the bolts holding the motors. Later it was thought that inadequate design of the bolt connection was a contributory factor. The forces from the motors had not been fully considered and the bolts failed by shearing.

The motor brackets were under-engineered, so when the ATO system was fully implemented, throwing the motor from 100% motoring to heavy braking it put a huge amount of strain on the bolts.

Oh and I forgot to mention that the factors mentioned by rob were nothing to do with the incidents.

The 92s have the worse seating on any LU train, hopefully they'll rip them out and start again nwhen they are eventually refurbed.

There's not a lot that can be done. I don't think tip up seats could be fitted because there is equipment under the seats. The actual cushions could be replaced to a similar design to the 95/96 stock, with their armrests.

Quite possible! The trains are 15 years old now, probably not old enough to go for scrap. It would be ironic if the A stock outlived them however. In the current economic crisis I doubt the money is there for replacement.

They might have the worse seats on any LU train, but they are better than the new DLR trains, that seem to have plastic seats with moquette on them, without much cushion. Part of the problem with 92TS seats is that they aren't in good condition. Most of them are worn out and faded.

Over the last few days the there have been quite a few breakdowns resulting in quite severe service disruptions. They are undoubtedly beginning to show their age as far as reliability is concerned. On the subject of the seats, yes they're not that comfy, but as the arm rests were kicked out by vandals the support that one's arms can give has gone. On the subject of the moquette it would be better to replace the seats all together with wipe down hard plastic seats that one sees on other metro systems. Far more hygienic. I'd like to take some of our nine-to-five senior managers into the depot one night at the close of traffic to let them see for themselves the state of the cars, and what the cleaners have to deal with. 'Revolting' cannot describe it some nights. Puke, chicken bones, fast food and sauces, booze ( despite the ban ) and other questionable liquids all soaking into the the fabric, and the litter! It makes me heave sometimes. I'd like to see a ban on using the tube as a mobile fast food restaurant. The stink is so offensive at times, especially in an enclosed space. Other metros do it, why can't we?

They're not comfortable anyway, and the way they're treated with no respect, who cares. Besides, you've got just a smidgen of material between your bum and the metal that the material covers anyway, and yes, the moquette is vandalised, along with the white formica panelling, the etched windows, the etched glass panelling, paint stripper used on the exterior paint work, stupid 'tags' etc - The seats - just get rid, and use some warm water and lemon Flash on wipeable ones at night.

Fully agree, there. Utterly horrible and uncomfortable seats that are little more than L-shaped benches.

How bizarre, therefore, that they semed to want to repeat this atrocious and unpopular seating design with the 2009 stock - that's two stocks later (95 and 96) and a full decade after most of us presumed they'd learnt the right lessons from this and that such an awful type of seating would never reapper in future designs.

The Waterloo & City 92TS seem more comfortable than the ones on the Central, but maybe this is because you are only on them for a couple of minutes.