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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 11:05:26 GMT
All platform displays east of Earls Court were showing Mansion House even though trains were terminating at Embankment which caused some confusion.
All the trains from Embankment went to Richmond whilst Ealing trains started from High St Ken and all Wimbledon's went to Edgware Road.
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Post by upfast on Feb 9, 2009 11:11:25 GMT
All platform displays east of Earls Court were showing Mansion House even though trains were terminating at Embankment which caused some confusion. All the trains from Embankment went to Richmond whilst Ealing trains started from High St Ken and all Wimbledon's went to Edgware Road. Are you asking why this was? The Embankment trains were described as Mansion House from the start of their journey at Richmond, right through to Embankment. This is due to there being no Train Describer for Embankment and the trains would otherwise not route. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 11:21:48 GMT
Ok thanks but obviously the general public wouldn't know that and assumed, not unreasonably, that the trains were actually going to Mansion House, couldn't the platform displays have been turned off to avoid confusion?
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Post by Tubeboy on Feb 9, 2009 11:51:34 GMT
What about the Olympia's? HSK?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 11:56:04 GMT
Olympia trains were operating to HSK as normal as far as I could see although one train did reverse at Earls Court at around 17.30 and so arrived and departed from the centre platforms.
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Post by upfast on Feb 9, 2009 13:13:06 GMT
Olympia trains were operating to HSK as normal as far as I could see although one train did reverse at Earls Court at around 17.30 and so arrived and departed from the centre platforms. Due to a signalling problem at High Street Kensington (train operator confusion) that Olympia train did indeed reverse at Earl's Court. One Edgware Road C Stock service was also diverted to Embankment. As to the DMIs. In the past they have been turned off, but that then removes the information as to when the next train is. What could and is done at some locations is that PA loop announces that the information is incorrect and that the train goes to Embankment. Though you'd have thought that they could cover up the destination part of the DMI with paper! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 18:00:30 GMT
Olympia trains were operating to HSK as normal as far as I could see although one train did reverse at Earls Court at around 17.30 and so arrived and departed from the centre platforms. Due to a signalling problem at High Street Kensington (train operator confusion) that Olympia train did indeed reverse at Earl's Court. One Edgware Road C Stock service was also diverted to Embankment. As to the DMIs. In the past they have been turned off, but that then removes the information as to when the next train is. What could and is done at some locations is that PA loop announces that the information is incorrect and that the train goes to Embankment. Though you'd have thought that they could cover up the destination part of the DMI with paper! Sorry, but, .... cover up the destination part with paper! Having read the thread on these 'ere boards regarding the refurbishment of the Train describers (I don't think dot matrix comes into it at ECT) at ECT, the situation on Saturday ably indicates just how poor, in the 21st Century, LU is in future-proofing, or even current-proofing their 'technology'. They, at the very least, should have a,'check destination on front of train' slot on those boards. Very unlike me, but I did feel sorry for some of the great travelling unwashed on Saturday as the describers were fuelling the confusion of the suspensions on the line. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 20:19:54 GMT
Having read the thread on these 'ere boards regarding the refurbishment of the Train describers (I don't think dot matrix comes into it at ECT) at ECT, the situation on Saturday ably indicates just how poor, in the 21st Century, LU is in future-proofing, or even current-proofing their 'technology'. They, at the very least, should have a,'check destination on front of train' slot on those boards. Hmmm, I'm not sure thats fair ! They are future proofed in that a Dot matrix can pretty much display anything. It's the very old antiquated Train description feed that is incapable of sending anything but a small range of codes from which the Dot Matrix generates a display. I'm not sure if there are any "spare" feeds on the Eastbound, I often feel "Northfields" on the Westbound would be better used to generate an "Olympia" display. The Indicators do manage to show "Check destination on front of train" or no destination at all ... from time to time, but I wonder if this is purely when they get a code they don't recognise ? |
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Post by upfast on Feb 10, 2009 0:18:27 GMT
Having read the thread on these 'ere boards regarding the refurbishment of the Train describers (I don't think dot matrix comes into it at ECT) at ECT, the situation on Saturday ably indicates just how poor, in the 21st Century, LU is in future-proofing, or even current-proofing their 'technology'. They, at the very least, should have a,'check destination on front of train' slot on those boards. Hmmm, I'm not sure thats fair ! They are future proofed in that a Dot matrix can pretty much display anything. It's the very old antiquated Train description feed that is incapable of sending anything but a small range of codes from which the Dot Matrix generates a display. I'm not sure if there are any "spare" feeds on the Eastbound, I often feel "Northfields" on the Westbound would be better used to generate an "Olympia" display. The Indicators do manage to show "Check destination on front of train" or no destination at all ... from time to time, but I wonder if this is purely when they get a code they don't recognise ? Using the current TD system it is not possible to have a "Check front of train" as the TD routes the train, even engineers trains headed to Upminster will have the same TD as a passenger service. The new system at Heathrow does allow for a destination TD then the ability to add 'Not In Service'. It's just a constraint of old technology. (The only one that will route AFAIK is on the west, a Wimbledon Non Stop - WN, TD, This whows up as Not in service). Also, I note that from Embankment westwards, on DMIs the destination was showing as blank - I'm guessing that this is just the way the TD feed works - Tom or District SOM might well know? As to changing the Hounslow (Northfields) TD, I don't know if this could be done, due to availibility of codes - Again a technical person would have to answer that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2009 15:52:33 GMT
if the dot matrix gets a code which is not reckonised it will just show a blank message theres a few on the w/b district which could be put to better use and also on the e/b there is alot spare once you get past earls court. i would suppose the mansion house t/d is used due to the programe machones being worked in fcfs mode thus allowing the signal op to only take control of embankmant and let the other sites route the train accordly.
the dot matrix will show some codes i.e ealing stable (ealing broadway then depot) as a ealing broadway or on the eastbound it will show a barking sidings as a barking it really all depends what the computer section programs the dot matrix sign to do.
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