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Post by antharro on Feb 3, 2009 23:56:26 GMT
I've been debating trading up from my EOS400D to an EOS 50D... anyone got one who can comment? (Also, EOS500D tentatively scheduled for later this year... should I wait?! )
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Post by compsci on Feb 4, 2009 9:56:20 GMT
I'd be surprised if the 500D has massively more features than the 400D. I've still got a 350D, and really can't see much reason to swap it. Going to the two digit range will give much more of a difference (particularly the full frame sensor), but of course there is a price tag to match.
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Post by antharro on Feb 5, 2009 16:39:37 GMT
I would imagine the big change from the 400D-500D would be a higher megapixel count, possibly an improved stock lens (the stock lens on the 450D has been rated as distinctly average), and the faster DIGIC 4 processor.
Having had hands-on with a 50D, it makes the 450D feel like a kid's toy. Fast (6.3fps continuous shooting), built like a brick outhouse, not at all plastic-y. Feels like a "proper" camera.
So I was debating buying one (Jessops have one at a good price with the Canon 18-200 lens), then buying a Powershot G10 for a compact.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 10:58:05 GMT
I've been debating trading up from my EOS400D to an EOS 50D... anyone got one who can comment? (Also, EOS500D tentatively scheduled for later this year... should I wait?! ) I have a 400D and i'm very pleased with it, spend the money on a high quality 2.8 lens instead.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 11:48:26 GMT
I have a Nikon D60. The adjustable auto ISO function is invaluable in low light situations such as tube photography. You can set a min exposure time, at which point it will bump up the ISO if the light is too low. So if for example I know I can hand hold down to 1/15sec (with VR on), then I will set the min exposure to 1/15 of a sec. Most SLRs auto ISO function will ISO bump at a fixed 1/60sec.
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Post by Phil on Feb 6, 2009 19:43:00 GMT
My son has a 350D for his 'serious' photography which still gets a lot of use. But his pocket camera packed up so I bought him a Samsung p1200 for Xmas (12mP obviously) and since then he has found all sorts of excuses not to take his 'big' camera to work (he drives for National Express and has photopic sites full of buses coaches/, and trains)).
Apparently 14mP will be the standard by the end of the year so it's probably best to wait till then....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2009 22:41:31 GMT
My son has a 350D for his 'serious' photography which still gets a lot of use. But his pocket camera packed up so I bought him a Samsung p1200 for Xmas (12mP obviously) and since then he has found all sorts of excuses not to take his 'big' camera to work (he drives for National Express and has photopic sites full of buses coaches/, and trains)). Apparently 14mP will be the standard by the end of the year so it's probably best to wait till then.... 14mp is more than enough for the amerture, that sort of size is for studio work and posters only.
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Post by compsci on Feb 9, 2009 9:19:36 GMT
I also find that I don't take my big camera around as much since I got a decent compact (Panasonic FX-37). The division broadly goes along the lines of whether I am actually planning on photographing stuff, or if I just might happen to see anything interesting. The small camera also allows me to take the odd photo while climbing, where the weight and bulk of the big camera would be verging on suicidal.
I also agree with the idea of buying a nice lens in the first instance. Canon last changed their lens fitting in 1987 when they began installing autofocus motors, so you can be pretty sure that whatever lens you buy now will fit on any future body. I pair my 350D with a 70-200 F4 L lens for zoom work, which would have been almost as much as the camera at UL RRP. I know that I could stick it straight onto a 50D tomorrow if I wanted to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 9:35:08 GMT
My son has a 350D for his 'serious' photography which still gets a lot of use. But his pocket camera packed up so I bought him a Samsung p1200 for Xmas (12mP obviously) and since then he has found all sorts of excuses not to take his 'big' camera to work (he drives for National Express and has photopic sites full of buses coaches/, and trains)). Apparently 14mP will be the standard by the end of the year so it's probably best to wait till then.... More megapixels is in most cases worse, particularly in compact cameras. This is as the megapixel count increases, the size of the pixel decreases. Thus each pixel is getting less light, and the image gets noisier. This isn't much of a problem with SLRs which have relatively large sensors and tend to use cutting edge sensor technology. However with compact cameras with tiny sensors it has resulted in a decline in image quality in the last few years. Even at base ISO, the images from compact cameras suffer from both noise and noise reduction artefact. Unfortunately as most consumers think that more megapixels is better, the camera manufacturers have to follow suite. BTW, I've had a photo used on the back of an A4 sized book, and it was just 4 megapixels!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 1:03:51 GMT
Although I have not used the 50D so cannot speak directly of it, the upgrade to that will certainly be a better option than the 500D. As has been mentioned the xxD range has a far greater build quality making them more robust and long lasting. The shutter also has a longer lifespan. The greater ISO range will probably be very useful if you want to use it on the Underground (to 3200 as standard and 128000 via custom functions). Even if the 500D offers the same increased range it will most likely not be as noise free simply of being a lower end model. For off-centre focussing all of the AF points on the 50D are cross type, compared to only the centre one on the 400D. My 30D has the same system that ended up in the 400D and it does make it difficult at times using the other points when the subject is not orientated the way the focus point demands! And If you use manual mode then the thumbwheel on the back is invaluable as you then have separate controls for aperture and shutter speed rather than having to press and hold buttons. If you are happy with what your camera can do then as others have said, spend the money on lenses. If you have the money you are better off getting lenses unless there is a feature you need and is lacking on your body or it needs replacing. Going to the two digit range will give much more of a difference (particularly the full frame sensor), but of course there is a price tag to match. The two digit range is still the same APS-C size sensor as the three and four digit models. Only the 5D and 1Ds models have a 35mm sensor. (The 1D has an APS-H sized sensor that falls halfway between the those sensor options). 14mp is more than enough for the amerture, that sort of size is for studio work and posters only. I have made prints from my 8.2 megapixel 30D at 20x30" and they have looked fine. In fact I have one that big on my wall taken at Oxford Circus station, although it is very grainy as I deliberately added it for artistic effect (and to hide the fact the photo was a bit out of focus!) That said, a greater resolution gives you a lot more latitude when it comes to cropping, which is a necessary evil if you do not have a long enough lens on the camera, or at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 1:03:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 11:28:35 GMT
Although I have not used the 50D so cannot speak directly of it, the upgrade to that will certainly be a better option than the 500D. As has been mentioned the xxD range has a far greater build quality making them more robust and long lasting. The shutter also has a longer lifespan. That said, a greater resolution gives you a lot more latitude when it comes to cropping, which is a necessary evil if you do not have a long enough lens on the camera, or at all. Yes, but how much of that double digit MP is true? I think most of them are interpolated??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2009 11:37:05 GMT
Yes, but how much of that double digit MP is true? I think most of them are interpolated?? You are kind of right, but the number of megapixels cited is always true of the number of sites on the sensor, the individual elements that detect light. Because a digital photograph is made up from red green and blue light you need three values for each of these sites. The way the vast majority of cameras work though is to have a filter placed over the sensor so that each site only responds to one of those colours. Interpolation is then used to calculate the values for the colours at each site. The most expensive high end medium format backs and cheapest camera phones all work this way. So a 14 megapixel camera does have a resolution of that many pixels, but two thirds of the colour information is interpolated. There are only a couple of notable exceptions. Fujifilm use their own Super CCD sensors which have the sites on them laid out diagonally. Traditionally this meant they used interpolation to rearrange the output into rows and columns. It gets complicated with their newest sensors as the megapixels they claim are true of the number of sites on the sensor, but it still needs to do some interpolation to combine the information from them. And it still has the same issue of using a filter and needing to interpolate colour information anyway. The other exception is the Foveon sensor, which is only used by Sigma and uses a technology where each site on the sensor has a separate red, green, and blue layer to avoid needing to interpolate anything. But being a newer and more expensive technology the sensors do not yet have the same resolution as conventional ones. Sigma's DP-1 claims to be 14mp, as it has that many sites on the sensor, but the resolution is only actually a third of that, making it equivalent to 4.6mp. So in short, unless you buy a Sigma Foveon (which is unlikely as they are expensive and not as easy to find) or Fujifilm camera, they all work the same way no matter how high the megapixels. They all interpolate colour information, but not detail. Hope that made sense!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 22:30:10 GMT
Erm... welldone, that went straight over my head. ;D
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Post by antharro on Mar 7, 2009 3:50:20 GMT
My 400D has lens issues... again. So it's going back under the extended warranty. I compared it with a 450D recently and found the 450D had noticeably better build quality. Far less plastic-y.
I'll be getting the 50D with a fairly decent lens to start with, probably Canon's 18-200. The stock lens (18-75) bundled with the 400D was known to have issues causing poor picture quality in the early models, which I believe Canon may have resolved. The 400D had a number of problems in its early days, unfortunately.
I'll also be buying a Canon Powershot G10 as a compact camera, to replace my aging Powershot 710iS, which has possibly been THE best compact camera I have ever owned. It still works well but it chews batteries. The flash recharge time isn't so good but surprisingly, it's better than the 400D's!
Also wanting to buy a decent flash gun, but that'll have to wait until I've saved up more money. Getting the two new cameras AND the extended warranties and extra batteries is going to cost a LOT of money.
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