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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2006 10:51:26 GMT
Youth electrocuted on Tube track
A Tube train was delayed for 85 minutes while tracks were searched
Tube passengers and staff watched in horror as a 14-year-old boy was electrocuted after climbing onto Tube rail tracks.
The incident happened at about 2215 BST at Ealing Broadway station in west London on Thursday night.
Two youths were seen getting onto the District Line track and one is thought to have slipped and come into contact with the traction current rail.
A London Underground spokesman said the boy's death was "a tragic accident".
'Deeply saddened'
The boy's companion left the station via the track.
A westbound District Line train carrying 52 passengers was delayed for 85 minutes while tracks were searched for the missing teen.
Witnesses who saw the boy's death were being interviewed by police.
The LU spokesman said: "This is a tragic accident and our first thoughts are with the youth's family. We are deeply saddened that someone so young has lost their life in this way.
The spokesman said a police investigation was under way to determine the circumstances of the accident.
Why do the youth of today want to walk on the tracks dont they have a brain to think thats its dangerous not just for themselfs but also for the people on the train.
Did anone get onto overtime last night after being held outside ealing.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 9, 2006 11:23:12 GMT
Why do the youth of today want to walk on the tracks dont they have a brain to think thats its dangerous not just for themselfs but also for the people on the train. Thinking is not an activity that is encouraged these days unfortunately. |
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Post by Colin on Jun 9, 2006 11:43:06 GMT
I should have finished at 2320, but eventually stabled at Ealing Common at 0030. Thankfully I was told to detrain at Turnham Green - making the hour I spent at Chiswick Park a little easier. I heard of the reason why this person was on the track, but it's one of those situations where the police will have to investigate and i'll be keping quiet. Let's just say, I don't believe the person was a graffiti artist or anything like that  |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Jun 9, 2006 13:13:02 GMT
Kids have always played on and near railway tracks, it's nothing new. The only thing that's new is the level of stupidity needed to get oneself killed or injured when doing so.
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Post by cdr113 on Jun 9, 2006 15:55:12 GMT
Did anone get onto overtime last night after being held outside ealing. Regardless of the circumstances in which it occurred, I would sincerely hope no-one was thinking about getting a few extra quid in the bank as a result of someone losing their life....pretty cheap world if that was the case.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2006 19:08:04 GMT
I should have finished at 2320, but eventually stabled at Ealing Common at 0030. Thankfully I was told to detrain at Turnham Green - making the hour I spent at Chiswick Park a little easier. I heard of the reason why this person was on the track, but it's one of those situations where the police will have to investigate and i'll be keping quiet. Let's just say, I don't believe the person was a graffiti artist or anything like that He fell......... Sam |
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Post by prjb on Jun 9, 2006 20:42:16 GMT
Did anone get onto overtime last night after being held outside ealing. Regardless of the circumstances in which it occurred, I would sincerely hope no-one was thinking about getting a few extra quid in the bank as a result of someone losing their life....pretty cheap world if that was the case.... I think you may have drastically missed the point of the original post. I don't think anyone was asking if someone got a bit of extra cash, more it is a way of finding out how late staff finished. Often LU staff will ask one another if they finished on overtime, the response is in a measurement of time not cash (ie; Yea, I finished 20 late). Incidentally, if staff did finish an hour late because of this incident are you suggesting that they should not book the overtime that they worked? If that is the case, what are the rules for this? Should they book it for suicides but not accidents? Should they wait for the results of an inquest? It's ridiculous, they finish late, they book the overtime for the period worked. This doesn't make staff heartless or unfeeling, it's just that they do a job and get paid for it. Emergency services in attendance didn't do it for free because of the circumstances. Everyone at LU feel for this young man and his family and we would do anything in our power to ease their loss. Just because staff get paid it doesn't make them in any way immoral. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2006 21:10:27 GMT
i was in this post trying to find out how late crew were finishing back to depot or if anyone was diverted to upminster. I am sure everyone on this forum feels for the family at this time the only thing i do wish is that other youths learn from this incident. On the radio this afternoon they were stateing that the youth involved was playing chicken.
So who was Late in then appart from colin.
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Post by cdr113 on Jun 9, 2006 21:26:12 GMT
thanks for clarifying that rob, i always think of 'overtime' as being additional pay, as opposed to simply going over your hours...apologies for the confusion!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2006 21:42:54 GMT
my sister went to school with the deceased, he was doing graffiti, police tried cornering him, he ran along the platform edge, triped and got juiced plus hit by an oncming train.
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Post by prjb on Jun 9, 2006 22:13:09 GMT
my sister went to school with the deceased, he was doing graffiti, police tried cornering him, he ran along the platform edge, triped and got juiced plus hit by an oncming train. Not wanting to get into a debate on this one (it's not really important), but as far as I am aware there was no train involved in this incident. Probably best to just stick to the point of the thread here though.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2006 23:03:01 GMT
the kids should realise that the railway is not a playground , surfing on surface stock trains used to be all the rage, until one day one poor lad wrapped himself around the outer home signal at harrow on the hill , 2 weeks later another was decapitated by a bridge just south of moor park ... the metropolitan police and various drivers from different lines are involved in an initiative where they go around the schools and have special presentations on the dangers of playing around on the railway . most of the kids take heed , but sadly some do not
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Post by prjb on Jun 9, 2006 23:11:38 GMT
I was supposed to do my initial 'School Liaison Officer' training this week, at the Acton Depot Museum oddly. Unfortunately my diary is full to the brim at the moment, and I had to prioritise the day job, so I had to drop it. I have e-mailed them asking if they have other dates, I really hope so as it is something I really want to do and think is important.
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Post by stanmorek on Jun 9, 2006 23:18:44 GMT
I once saw a guy running across both the District and Picc lines at Chiswick Park. It was a wet and dark morning but he managed not to trip over or slip onto a juice rail.
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Post by Colin on Jun 10, 2006 1:15:34 GMT
On the radio this afternoon they were stateing that the youth involved was playing chicken. my sister went to school with the deceased, he was doing graffiti, police tried cornering him, he ran along the platform edge, triped and got juiced plus hit by an oncming train. The reason was printed in the Evening Standard's west end edition, so I see no reason to keep quiet now: The youths never had tickets. When they were challenged at the barrier, they made a run for it and the security guards gave chase; the youths carried on off the end of one of the District platforms. The last youth tripped and fell across both live rails - the rest we know. The reason I initially wanted to keep quiet was that the security guards may have forced the youths into a dangerous situation and could be interpreted as such in any resulting prosecution *. Again based on my 'inside' information, I now believe the youths had an opportunity to board a train and try their luck elsewhere. Tragically they chose not to use that option. The only involvement train wise was by a District driver [on a train still in the platform] who saw what happened and raised the alarm using the train radio. It was a tragic accident, for the sake of a ticket. EDIT: *this viewpoint was expressed by my source. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2006 1:26:54 GMT
Very sad indeed. I see that the family of the deceased all descended on EBDY station late last night to confront the staff. As if that would solve anything.
The lad was travelling without a ticket. He shouldn't have been where he was. The security guards will probably be briefed not to chase people in future and if someone doesn't have a ticket, they'll probably just have to shrug their shoulders and get on with things.
It doesn't matter how many of these tragic stories we hear about, there'll always be someone who thinks that they are indestructible. I had a young lad a few weeks ago (which I mentioned in my blog at the time) who ran over the tracks in front of me as I was leaving Parsons Green. He ran from 27 road right in front of me and I didn't see him until he was on the track in front of me because of the bridge which blocks the view. Luckily I was just starting away from the station, so was only travelling slowly and could stop no problem, but it still shook me up quite badly. One slip and this kid would have been fried. One second later and he'd have been under my train.
The thing which made it worse was when he reached the other side, he sat on the bridge laughing at me making rude hand gestures. I really do wonder sometimes.
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Post by cdr113 on Jun 10, 2006 10:54:54 GMT
this reminds me of some cctv footage on bbc news a while ago taken at a National Rail staion, where 2 kids were hopping between the 2 adjacent current rails....luckily they didnt ground themselves or touch both live rails at once, but nonetheless a rather silly thing to do! not sure if it was merseyside or the southeast...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2006 13:37:27 GMT
Station Staff at Ealing Bdy told me yesterday that the lad WAS doing graffitti in the form of tagging trains.
Perhaps they were doing that before attempting to exit without a ticket.... or perhpas the story has been so corrupted it's not possible to know what went on ....
Either way he shouldn't have been on the track or on the system !
Four bunches of flowers with cards were present behind the railings on platform 9.
I also heard the family had decended upon and been unpleasent at Ealing Bdy !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2006 22:15:32 GMT
this reminds me of some cctv footage on bbc news a while ago taken at a National Rail staion, where 2 kids were hopping between the 2 adjacent current rails....luckily they didnt ground themselves or touch both live rails at once, but nonetheless a rather silly thing to do! not sure if it was merseyside or the southeast... That was in the South East, at a small wayside station called Adisham between Dover and Canterbury East. Big problem all the time in the area, cos it's an old mining village and there is 'nothing to do'. [well, go and pick up rubbish in the village, help neighbours, etc] |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2006 23:39:04 GMT
The thick little f*ckers just don't learn!  I passed a C stock on the Olympia's this evening which had been completely covered in brightly coloured tags down the offside. These Richard Heads were standing on sloping ground only inches away from the posi rail at Olympia when only two days ago, the result of what can happen occurred... I caught up with the driver later (he was in the same cab as me going back to Acton) and he said there were about 6 of them and when he banged on the window and shouted at them, they just gave him a wave. They know it takes the BTP a lifetime to arrive. Apparently the controller took the juice off up there just in case... Personally I'd have left it on. They trespass they take the risk. That's another C stock short for the service tomorrow, plus the cost of removing the 'art'. If they had been caught by the BTP, they know they'd only have been given a slap on the wrist anyway. I sometimes hate the ridiculous justice system in this country. (Sorry I'm turning this into a rant!!) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2006 1:16:28 GMT
I also heard the family had decended upon and been unpleasent at Ealing Bdy ! Perhaps the family should ask themselves how their relative turned out like that. I find it difficult to have any sympathy with them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2006 6:51:45 GMT
I also heard the family had decended upon and been unpleasent at Ealing Bdy ! The Youths shouldnt have been where they were, and being electrified is / was a risk for someone who is not clued up with the track environment, and as such that is what happened. I agree with adw, I find it difficult to have sympathy on such occasions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2006 8:54:01 GMT
I have to agree MA, adw....
Was between Leyton - Leytonstone a few months ago, going past the cemetery, kid pops out from behind bridge, darts/skips across the track to w/b side, I jam on the anchors, open the door to ask him what the f--k he's doing, before getting a raspberry and a V sign.
Charming lad, wasn't he?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2006 8:56:40 GMT
If he had been that second later, I can quite easily guess which one of you would have won. Yes charming sort of guy...... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2006 8:59:02 GMT
the same goes if he'd tripped up on summat.
Why, why, WHY do they do it?
Madness, absolute madness....
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Post by Chris M on Jun 11, 2006 9:15:05 GMT
being electrified is / was a risk for someone who is not clued up with the track environment Being electricuted is as risk for someone who is[/is] clued up with the track environment. The only time there is no risk is when the electricity is turned off.
The difference being clued-up makes is that you know how to minimise the risks.
Perhaps the only way to get this message home is by a very hardhitting campaign. If possible show them the results of electrocution, give them real life accounts of people who were just a second late when playing chicken, peopel who slipped when graffitiing trains, etc.
Combine this with real enforcement and meaningful punishment (how about fining the graffiti artist (or their family if under 18) the entire cost of cleaning a graffitied train (I guess £1000 would not be too far out? maybe more if you count the wages of the removers, and the lost revenue as well as just the materials).
Oh and pass a law making it illegal to get compensation for anything that happened during illegal activities (that the person knew was illegal) and/or when knowlingly or recklessly disregarding safety rules. I presume that everyone over the age of 13 must know that graffiti is illegal, tresspassing on the railway is illegal and that being on the track is ignoring the safety warnings (posted at the end of every platform I've seen on LU). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2006 9:18:17 GMT
Being electricuted is as risk for someone who is[/is] clued up with the track environment. The only time there is no risk is when the electricity is turned off.
The difference being clued-up makes is that you know how to minimise the risks.Not if you respect it, which is what you should do. Think of it like a big horrible snake, if you respect its feelings, it wont eat you; exactly the same! |
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Post by donnytom on Jun 11, 2006 9:27:42 GMT
Perhaps they should consider using this for a hard-hitting campaign like Chris M suggests, as it proves exactly what can easily happen when you break the rules. But like others have said, there are some people who believe that they're invincible until something/someone ends up proving them wrong, so this won't make a difference to that type.
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Post by CSLR on Jun 11, 2006 10:08:37 GMT
Why, why, WHY do they do it? Because they are bored. Strange that, I cannot remember any kids using the word 'bored' when I was small. We did things that would never be allowed to today and we learned safety from experience and from each other. Playgrounds were places where you scraped your knee and grazed your elbow. High things were for falling off of and learning that it hurt. Today, anywhere designated as a play area has been so sanitised that most young people would never go near such a place. Even council run youth clubs are invariably operated by politically correct Lifelong Learning Departments, instead of being places to kick a foootball and argue over whose turn it is to use whatever it is you want to test to destruction. Having created a society that deprives young people of excitement and challenge by being overprotective towards them, we then wonder why they go out and play silly games such as this. |
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Post by donnytom on Jun 11, 2006 11:20:49 GMT
Perhaps the rise in popularity of 'extreme sports' is down to the same thing? People escaping sanitisation, but doing so in ways that have much lower risk but higher prices.
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I passed a C stock on the Olympia's this evening which had been completely covered in brightly coloured tags down the offside. These Richard Heads were standing on sloping ground only inches away from the posi rail at Olympia when only two days ago, the result of what can happen occurred...
