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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2009 20:17:19 GMT
It could be partly that. Turning trains may also require extra time, staff may not be able to get into work.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2009 21:09:37 GMT
The Met had shuttles working, which is a good idea. Baker - Wat, Baker - Uxb, Harrow - Amersham & Chesham - Ricky. The Controller announced kids throwing snowballs at trains around the Wilesden Green area about 1400, I was going to reply, "Is that permission to throw snowballs back?" But thought, I better not.
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Post by metman on Feb 2, 2009 21:36:24 GMT
I've got to be at Baker Street tomorrow morning at 11, what are the chances I wonder. The shuttles are the best option. Chesham shuttle didn't seem to work much today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2009 21:46:13 GMT
I've got to be at Baker Street tomorrow morning at 11, what are the chances I wonder. The shuttles are the best option. Chesham shuttle didn't seem to work much today. More snow planned over-night, it's a shame i'm rest day.
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Post by version3point1 on Feb 2, 2009 22:59:41 GMT
The Controller announced kids throwing snowballs at trains around the Wilesden Green area about 1400, I was going to reply, "Is that permission to throw snowballs back?" But thought, I better not. You should've asked! I would have offered assistance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2009 23:06:59 GMT
The Controller announced kids throwing snowballs at trains around the Wilesden Green area about 1400, I was going to reply, "Is that permission to throw snowballs back?" But thought, I better not. You should've asked! I would have offered assistance. LOL, ;D I didn't know how the controller would of accepted the request! I thought it was valid, but changed my mind. A snowball at 50mph will hurt, especially with a 5amp fuse imbedded. ;D Note: Before anyone starts, I am just joking and having a laugh, there is no way I would launch anything from a moving train.
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Post by DrJimi on Feb 2, 2009 23:24:21 GMT
A freak snow event like this must be murder for you guys, but to us 6" is a minor inconvenience as we're prepared for it and have the equipment to deal with it. So far this season we have 62" total! One of the worst I can remember was in Feb of 2003, when we had 18" overnight. Here's a few photos to put that in perspective. I open the garage door to find... The view from the house. The brown thing at the end of the driveway is my mailbox. It sits on a 3 foot post. No sign of the post, as the town plows have relocated a bunch of snow from the road to my driveway. Note the banks either side of the driveway are already above the mailbox height from previous storms. My Husky loves snow, but this was a bit much Where did I leave that bone? Fun time for a Husky. She was 'porpoising' in and out of the snow as she ran and I managed to catch her in flight. Here's how we deal with 18", on top of what we already had My best to you all! /Jimi
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Post by metman on Feb 2, 2009 23:35:49 GMT
Great pics! The dogs love the snow as much as the kids!
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Post by Ben on Feb 2, 2009 23:46:02 GMT
Easily the winner for 'Cutest Thread' of the Winter.
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Post by citysig on Feb 2, 2009 23:59:18 GMT
Was there a specific problem around Aldgate/Aldgate East today? Because I can completely understand why the outer parts of the network had major problems, and that short-staffing was an issue - but can't see why that would have precluded running a service between Liverpool Street and Whitechapel on the H&C (or Tower Hill on the Circle). Instead, even though the H&C was running from Hammersmith to Aldgate, and the District from Tower Hill to Upminster, there was no interchange aside from an icy trudge between the two Aldgates... At the start of this afternoon we had a 2 train shuttle Hammersmith-Edgware Road, and a 5 train Edgware Road-Aldgate. A couple of extra drivers became available and so this became a 9 train Hammersmith-Aldgate service - averaging out at around 8-10 minute frequencies. We were continually reviewing the train operator availability, but unfortunately never had enough to extend the service. Whitechapel is just those couple of minutes too far down the line to be too far away to provide the service we were by terminating at Aldgate if you see what I mean. Given that most people were leaving London via National Rail our targets were Liverpool Street and Kings Cross. By 1800, many of our platforms were deserted even with a 10-minute service. The Met had shuttles working, which is a good idea. Baker - Wat, Baker - Uxb, Harrow - Amersham & Chesham - Ricky. The Controller announced kids throwing snowballs at trains around the Wilesden Green area about 1400, I was going to reply, "Is that permission to throw snowballs back?" But thought, I better not. Again, we ran the shuttles as there were not enough drivers to run anything more than that. The shuttles themselves only offered 20-minute frequencies. As for the snowballs, I heard my colleague dealing with something (I was dealing with the H&C) but didn't realise it was just snowballs. I think the report started off as stones being thrown. If you had asked me, I could not possibly have commented apart from seeking assurances that the service would not be unduly delayed ;D
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Post by 21146 on Feb 3, 2009 0:06:47 GMT
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Post by 21146 on Feb 3, 2009 0:43:16 GMT
Could the W&C closure not be due to (risk of) overcrowding problems resulting from the issues on other lines? On other lines they would just not stop at stations in that situation, which in the case of W&C means the whole line being closed. it running a good service now. thing makes me laugh is people warn like 4days ago or longer dont remember. This was down to lack of T/ops who tend to come from east London, or if ex-ELL, on South East Trains territory
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Post by antharro on Feb 3, 2009 6:31:08 GMT
And here starts day two... Bakerloo suspended Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone due to weather. Circle suspended due to a faulty train at HSK. District suspended Edgware Road - Wimbledon due to above faulty train. H&C suspended Whitechapel - Barking due to weather. Jubilee - Minor delays due to a faulty train at Neasden. Met - Minor delays due to weather. Clicky linky thing to TFL live travel news.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 7:14:52 GMT
typical the snow comes to london 2 weeks after we move to brighton anyone got any good pics of the underground covered in snow for me to see as if we were still their i would have been out with my camera instead we could not get anywere as everything was cancelled down here
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Post by johnb on Feb 3, 2009 12:45:47 GMT
At the start of this afternoon we had a 2 train shuttle Hammersmith-Edgware Road, and a 5 train Edgware Road-Aldgate. A couple of extra drivers became available and so this became a 9 train Hammersmith-Aldgate service - averaging out at around 8-10 minute frequencies. We were continually reviewing the train operator availability, but unfortunately never had enough to extend the service. Whitechapel is just those couple of minutes too far down the line to be too far away to provide the service we were by terminating at Aldgate if you see what I mean. Given that most people were leaving London via National Rail our targets were Liverpool Street and Kings Cross. By 1800, many of our platforms were deserted even with a 10-minute service. Thanks for that. I see where you're coming from (I guess also Whitechapel is outside, which isn't going to improve reliability at turnaround time...). Interesting to get that kind of horse's mouth info - one of the really good things about the DD board
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Post by tubeprune on Feb 3, 2009 14:07:37 GMT
Dr Jimi - great pix - and perhaps you're not too far from good skiing in Vermont. I remember Killington as pretty good.
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Post by metman on Feb 3, 2009 16:28:39 GMT
The trains were running a little better today. I wasn't happy with the Met Line tho. My local Baker Street left early so I went to Moor Park to get a fast train. Clearly some cleaver sole decided NOT to de-ice the fast lines between Harrow and Wembley so we crawled behind an Aldgate local! We even stopped at Preston Road-can't blame the driver, cos I'd have done the same. I missed the start of my meetng because of it. The way home was the same, used the down local line!
There were no de-icers on, despite D on being displayed on the platforms! Poor form. Who decided to run 32tph on two tracks?
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Post by suncloud on Feb 3, 2009 16:57:31 GMT
It didn't look like a full service when I came in on the Met today... And some blocking back into Wembley... At least with my train there seemed to be confusion over who was meant to be picking it up so a few minutes delay there... Saw a 72ts gingerly on it's way up to Harrow while waiting near where the lines cross, guess it was on a testing run...
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Post by metman on Feb 3, 2009 17:33:13 GMT
My girlfriend was wondering why the Bakerloo wasn't running but the LO was. I mearly suggested that a delay on the Harrow branch would cause problems with the rest of the service as the trains have to slot in at Queens Pk, or is it that the 72s are rubbish in the snow?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 18:37:58 GMT
Been fun and games here in my locale. Car park was like an ice rink - no sign of an acrobatic spade/salt slinging council employee!
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Post by superteacher on Feb 3, 2009 18:46:47 GMT
Central line was suspended Hainault to Woodford virtually all day, yet this closure wasn't mentioned until esrly evening!
The Central was running shuttles thus:
Epping - Leytonstone Hainault - Marble Arch Liverpool Street - White City White City - Ealing / Ruislip
A clever use of overlapping services helped to minimise problems with crew reliefs etc, and kept a pretty frequent service going in Central London, even if the outer branches suffered a little. Coded manual was in use from Leytonstone to Epping, with trains running much slower than usual. I daresay this was the situation west of White City.
The overlapping shuttles meant that the central area wasn't affected by the slow running in the open sections.
Passengers don't like shuttle services because they have to change. What they don't realise is that the service would be far worse without the shuttles, and it would take them much longer to get to their destinations.
I think the Central line controllers should be congratulated for this.
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Post by metman on Feb 3, 2009 19:26:20 GMT
Also saw a pair of battery locos sandwiching a wagon with a large de-icer tank on it! This was a Harrow-on-the-Hill.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 19:31:22 GMT
There's a couple of pictures by me up in my picture gallery, which can be found here. Four pictures at the moment (scroll to the bottom), rather rubbish quality as the camera batteries died.. *sigh!*
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Post by Chris M on Feb 3, 2009 20:42:21 GMT
wer1070 - your photos are apparently private and cannot be viewed.
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Post by Oracle on Feb 3, 2009 20:57:02 GMT
I can see them but it involved copying & pasting in the browser the full address, as the links are excluding part of the address.
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Post by citysig on Feb 3, 2009 23:15:40 GMT
The trains were running a little better today. I wasn't happy with the Met Line tho. My local Baker Street left early so I went to Moor Park to get a fast train. Clearly some cleaver sole decided NOT to de-ice the fast lines between Harrow and Wembley so we crawled behind an Aldgate local! We even stopped at Preston Road-can't blame the driver, cos I'd have done the same. I missed the start of my meetng because of it. The way home was the same, used the down local line! There were no de-icers on, despite D on being displayed on the platforms! Poor form. Who decided to run 32tph on two tracks? Very sorry about that ;D The afternoon service WAS better than the morning (trust me, it was). The fast roads between Harrow and Wembley were de-iced and re-opened roughly 1430 southbound and 1530 northbound. They were in a bit of a state, and being as there are both local and fast lines, it was decided to leave the fasts out till last. The lines were in fact de-iced using the train you saw in your later post. By mid-evening we had everything (all sidings and crossovers) back except Watford North Curve. As for the 32tph service over 2 lines this morning, it's always a difficult one to work out. Who do you stop getting to work? Where do you send the trains you tip out at Harrow if they can't go to Neasden? Who is going to drive them if the driver was due off at Wembley? Sometimes it's better to stomach the delays in order to get everyone (staff and customers) to near enough where they want to be. As it goes, a number of trains were taken out of service, but when you've only got 50% of your track, it's always going to get a bit crowded. Not everywhere had the D boards still on - some had turned them to off at 0700 (which is the regular time on most chilly days, but not today.) Regardless of this, following yesterday many of the tanks were empty, and the services yesterday meant most trains were away from the depot for longer. Believe it or not, during the day today there was quite a fair amount of natural thawing. Come 1700 this evening, everyone was back de-icing - with full tanks.
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Post by citysig on Feb 3, 2009 23:17:17 GMT
Thanks for that. I see where you're coming from (I guess also Whitechapel is outside, which isn't going to improve reliability at turnaround time...). Interesting to get that kind of horse's mouth info - one of the really good things about the DD board Glad to be of help. The "outside" issue at Whitechapel was indeed a problem to begin with, but the all-clear on that was given during early afternoon after some de-icing had been performed.
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Post by DrJimi on Feb 4, 2009 0:21:46 GMT
Dr Jimi - great pix - and perhaps you're not too far from good skiing in Vermont. I remember Killington as pretty good. Sorry, I'm not a ski person and have no use for feet of snow in my driveway and would thus prefer it stayed up in the ski areas - or better yet in Canada ;D But I understand from those who are into it, that we have several excellent ski areas in NH (north of me) similar to Killington. Significant tourist income. I like this location - about 1 hour from the seacoast, 90 mins from the Lakes Region and 3 hours from the White Mountains. Plenty of choice. Excellent for rides on the HD in summer -- which will apparently be a while arriving if one believes the "Puxatawny Phil" (Groundhog Day) theory. He saw his shadow yesterday, thus the legend says that we have 6 more weeks of Winter to go. We will also briefly get above freezing this weekend for the first time since I can't remember (December?). Rough Winter - lowest temperature I saw was -20F. Some local wag once opined NH has 3 seasons - Fall, Winter and July 4th. But in truth it seems to me to be just a little more 'intense' in its seasons compared to my memories of the UK. Best, Jimi
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Post by metman on Feb 4, 2009 0:25:20 GMT
Not everywhere had the D boards still on - some had turned them to off at 0700 (which is the regular time on most chilly days, but not today.) Regardless of this, following yesterday many of the tanks were empty, and the services yesterday meant most trains were away from the depot for longer. Believe it or not, during the day today there was quite a fair amount of natural thawing. Come 1700 this evening, everyone was back de-icing - with full tanks. Yeah, except the train I just got off didn't have the de-icer on (unless it ran out!) although most did. Actually it was nice to see the spray working live on the tracks earlier too. Motion sensers if I remember correctly. Despite the problems, the Met did well.
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