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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2009 12:11:22 GMT
For those that are interested, today i saw a routemaster at harrow working the rail replacement service to watford, it was green and was opertaed by sullivan.
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 24, 2009 18:58:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2009 20:22:17 GMT
It's a strange system - but the RM is actually useful on Rail Replacement because it is exempt from the Low Emission Zone requirements - unlike some buses 20 years younger.
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Post by ruislip on Jan 24, 2009 23:03:00 GMT
For those that are interested, today i saw a routemaster at harrow working the rail replacement service to harrow Met, Bakerloo, or NR? |
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Post by upfast on Jan 24, 2009 23:50:59 GMT
It's a strange system - but the RM is actually useful on Rail Replacement because it is exempt from the Low Emission Zone requirements - unlike some buses 20 years younger. Most likely why it's on there! Another Sullivan fact - I think they must have lost the EastEnders bus contract and it is now with Carousel, complete with non TfL LED destination blinds! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 0:42:45 GMT
For those that are interested, today i saw a routemaster at harrow working the rail replacement service to harrow Met, Bakerloo, or NR? Sorry i wrote harrow twice! I have now modified my post and it says it was going to watford(met) |
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Post by metman on Jan 25, 2009 1:53:39 GMT
Wicked!! I was on the rail replacement tonight. I never saw it though.  |
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Post by spencesw on Jan 25, 2009 20:27:23 GMT
Evening all,
I needed to go to Watford yesterday and took the green Routemaster from Harrow.
One of the bus guys came along as a "conductor"
Upstairs there was a terrible condensation problem on the roof - was covered in moisture and the paint was peeling in some places - is this common?
The routes maps on the bus showed N7 to Northolt.
Spence
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 21:24:22 GMT
Upstairs there was a terrible condensation problem on the roof - was covered in moisture and the paint was peeling in some places - is this common? Spence It's common with older buses with painted alluminium roof panels that are parked overnight outside on a cold night. Modern buses have a plastic type of roof panel. in the past buses tended to stop in garages overnight, nowadays many are parked in open yards which have less overheads ! |
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Post by roythebus on Feb 2, 2009 9:35:27 GMT
Many years ago when the Central line shut down, about 1996, I used RMC1462 on the replacement services from Leytonstone to Woodford.
A well-known known Central Line manager, now a bus operator, complained about the age of the RMC, built 1962, as "not being in keeping" with what they really wanted due to its age.
I said it was a bit hypocritical, as the RMC was some 2 years younger than his tube trains!! We eventually made up about 10 years later.
You'll usually find where there's an RM or an RT even on rail replacement, it's driven by head office staff from LBSL or TfL.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 2, 2009 17:12:13 GMT
I thought TfL was insisting all tube replacement buses had to be "wheelchair-accessible" these days - which was silly really, as much of the Tube network isn't.
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Post by suncloud on Feb 2, 2009 19:08:49 GMT
I think the case of the ELL it was considered more of a 'new' service and should be fully accesible from outset. I'd imagine a preference for accessible vehicles is stated for scheduled rail replacement services due to engineering etc. But not required to be 100%. In an emergency I'm sure it's a case of what can be provided  ... I'm sure there's provision for a taxi to be put on if no accessible buses can be provided... |
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Post by Tubeboy on Feb 2, 2009 20:13:03 GMT
I saw that Green RM on a Northern line service back in 2006.
Expanding the thread slightly, any Metrobuses on rail work soon? Is it just Sullivans who have the Metrobuses?
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 2, 2009 20:56:25 GMT
I thought TfL was insisting all tube replacement buses had to be "wheelchair-accessible" these days - which was silly really, as much of the Tube network isn't. I wonder where they expect them to magically appear from? If the work is being done at a weekend OK, but on weekdays I don't imagine there are swathes of low floor buses sitting spare! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2009 21:32:44 GMT
Expanding the thread slightly, any Metrobuses on rail work soon? Is it just Sullivans who have the Metrobuses? I don't think that you will see any as they are not LEZ compliant - all the London Buses' Trainer Metrobuses left their relevant fleets last year. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 2, 2009 21:42:08 GMT
Which buses are LEZ compliant? Are those ubiquitous Dublin Olympians which a lot of operators now have?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2009 22:27:26 GMT
The buses have to be Euro III compliant - all red buses in London are compliant as they have been fitted with particulate traps.
Pre-1973 vehicles are exempt.
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Post by suncloud on Feb 2, 2009 22:52:41 GMT
The buses have to be Euro III compliant - all red buses in London are compliant as they have been fitted with particulate traps. Pre-1973 vehicles are exempt. And paying for a second crew member for the day on a pre 73 RM (or similar) is probably cheaper than paying to bring a non-compliant bus inside the LEZ  |
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Post by roythebus on Feb 3, 2009 15:44:09 GMT
Having just looked at buying a Dublin Olympian from a dealer, they can be LEZ compliant for a reasonable sum, but as built, no.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2009 0:55:55 GMT
It is possible to make most Metrobuses and Titans LEZ compliant, for the moment, but the cost of doing so exceeds the value of the vehicles. It is also unlikely that they be able to make them compliant for LEZ phase 2 if it goes ahead, when the standard is raised. The proposed introduction of LEZ for vans and such like was dropped last week. I have certainly seen a "Supreme" Metrobus on Overground replacement post LEZ.
Olympians can also be made compliant and a fair few companies have done so, Ensignbus have Alexander bodied examples. Go-Ahead (London Central/General/Blue Triangle) have Northern Counties examples as do First.
Step floor buses may not be used on TfL service work, but may be used on rail work unless a contract specifically requires Low Floor buses, for the most part that occurs only on the Jubilee line extension stations. A tenderer offering Low Floor buses may be better placed to win a contract if other factors (eg. cost) are close, but they must then source them ! Most rail jobs still feature the odd step floor bus.
Routemasters (and RT's etc) are exempt from LEZ as they are classed as Historic Vehicles and as stated the cost of a second crew member is considerably less than paying for a non-LEZ vehicle to come in for the day..... and passengers love being on them ;D
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