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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2006 10:36:51 GMT
Just went into Upminster ticket office, to get my application sorted for the 16/17 photocard, and had this following conversation with the ticket clerk: ''Hi, can I apply for this photocard please?'' [Hands the completed form over] ''No sorry, we only sell London Underground tickets here, we don't do photocard applications. You have to go to a tube station for that''. ''Well this is a tube station isn't it??'' ''No this is a c2c rail station'' ''OK well...... thanks for the help'' [Walks off, sees a D-stock arrive...... and notices the ''Underground'' roundel next to the station sign  ) I would've argued the point that it was, but as there was a queue forming behind me, I thought it best to cut my loses, so I'm off to Stratford to get it sorted tomorrow.... But..... how is Upminster NOT an LU station exactly?!?  |
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Post by agoodcuppa on May 28, 2006 10:48:59 GMT
But..... how is Upminster NOT an LU station exactly?!? Because it's owned by Network Rail and operated by c2c, just like the man said. Simply because a particular company's trains stop there doesn't make it their station. To reverse the situation, Chiltern Railway's trains stop at Harrow-on-the-Hill and other stations out to Amersham but they're all LU stations, not Chiltern's. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2006 10:51:19 GMT
Ahh ok .....
Thanks for clarifying.
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Post by Tubeboy on May 28, 2006 12:28:05 GMT
Similarly the station I am at, has the mainline passing through, but is managed by lul. As for tickets, being an lul station, we can sell a wide range of tickets, but not as many as nr ones. Biggest problem is that we cant sell nr tickets in advance, they have to be bought on the day the person is travelling. Creates a few problems!!!.  |
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Post by delticdave on May 29, 2006 22:57:24 GMT
I was on Dagenham Dock station yesterday and noticed that despite this being a C2C station only, this too had an 'Underground' roundel, but put it down to being connected to it at Barking. I stand to be corrected on this though as there are extra tracks going in that I understand are for Channel Tunnel.
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Post by Colin on May 30, 2006 1:16:11 GMT
The DLR has plans to reach that far - though how advanced those plans are I have no idea. That *could* possibly be a reason for the roundel - another *possible* reason is Tf
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As for the CTRL, yes it will pass by the station (and those are the tracks for it) - but it will not stop there
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Post by delticdave on Jun 21, 2006 19:33:03 GMT
Going back to the main title of this thread, when I was rather yound, it was announced electric trains would go through to Shoeburyness. I had visions on LT stock going along there, after the other two rails had been laid from Upminster. When dad told me they wouldn't be LT trains, I was very disappointed. Looking back at it now, I have to laugh.
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Post by Phil on Jun 23, 2006 10:00:39 GMT
Why, the District used to run Ealing to Southend - why not now ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2006 17:22:00 GMT
Why, the District used to run Ealing to Southend - why not now ;D They a) might get lost and end up off juice at Norwich, b) imagine doing two rounders on your first half!  AND c) Imagine the Train Radio!  Oh and C stock to Southend! I think the motors might go bang! |
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Post by Oracle on Jun 23, 2006 17:55:03 GMT
Wasn't it 30 Swptember '39 when the Ealing Bdy to Southend/Shoeburyness service was abandoned for the war....mind you those District locos must have been pretty well cream-crackered by then! My mother who was born in South Ealing in 1931 remembers the trains.
Interestingly I am sure that through fares to Southend were listed on the fares information at Hounslow West Picc station in the Sixties, and possibly into the following decade. There were some odd anomalies.
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Post by delticdave on Jun 23, 2006 17:56:16 GMT
Why, the District used to run Ealing to Southend - why not now ;D NOT with electric LT stock, it didn't. I am old enough to remember that bit. They were Steam hauled trains and I even have photo's of them in some magazines. Sorry!!!!!! |
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Post by prjb on Jun 23, 2006 21:46:58 GMT
Why, the District used to run Ealing to Southend - why not now ;D and out to Windsor the other end. |
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Post by delticdave on Jun 23, 2006 21:53:22 GMT
Why, the District used to run Ealing to Southend - why not now ;D and out to Windsor the other end. Thank You for this. My magazines do NOT mention that part. |
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Post by Oracle on Jun 23, 2006 21:53:51 GMT
I wonder therefore how the connection was made between the GWR main line and the District at Ealing Bdy and also between the District and LNER at Barking? There was of course the long siding that connected the Central to the Up Slow (as I remember it) at the Bdy via facing #-over.
May I also ask what the current status is of the connection between the Romford branch and District at Upminster?
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Post by delticdave on Jun 23, 2006 22:06:48 GMT
I wonder therefore how the connection was made between the GWR main line and the District at Ealing Bdy and also between the District and LNER at Barking? There was of course the long siding that connected the Central to the Up Slow (as I remember it) at the Bdy via facing #-over. May I also ask what the current status is of the connection between the Romford branch and District at Upminster? IF I could answer this, I would, but unfortunately it is over 18 months since I was last on Upminster Station. I do so hope you get the answer to this question. Just to show how old I am, I can remember going from Upminster to Romford (AND Grays) by steam train. |
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Post by markt on Jun 23, 2006 23:04:49 GMT
Been to Upminster fairly recently. Still no connection between the District and the Romford branch, from when I took a scenic tour to get to Barking... |
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Post by Colin on Jun 24, 2006 2:39:43 GMT
May I also ask what the current status is of the connection between the Romford branch and District at Upminster? Hmm....I'm sure we had an indepth thread on this, but a quick glance only shows THIS ONEAFAIK, the ball is still in Network Rail's court so to speak. They need to grant a possession to relocate the OHLE mast standing in the way, with further possession's to make the physical connection. In any case, the D stock refurb program will not use the connection even if it were finished tomorrow as there are something in the region of 150 gauging issues that would need resolving. I would imagine that the only purpose this connection will now serve is for access by Metronets class 66's. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2006 4:05:19 GMT
Don't forget the fact that the lack of entry signals in the Upminster layout and the complete lack of signals on the Upminster-Romford branch means that any stock movement from NR to the depot requires a full possession of Upminster Depot, Upminster station and the NR line as far as Romford station.
IIRC it was BAET or citysig that mentioned this.
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Post by Colin on Jun 24, 2006 5:09:13 GMT
That was me, in the thread I quoted (above) |
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Post by solidbond on Jun 24, 2006 9:14:26 GMT
Don't forget the fact that the lack of entry signals in the Upminster layout and the complete lack of signals on the Upminster-Romford branch means that any stock movement from NR to the depot requires a full possession of Upminster Depot, Upminster station and the NR line as far as Romford station. IIRC it was BAET or citysig that mentioned this. I think you'll find that was me, via PM, to a few people on here. Effectively, without signalling the whole line from Romford to Upminster, the only way to move stock in or out via the link would be a possession, as all parts would become part of the single line. However, it wouldn't necessarily include the whole of Upminster station, just platform 5. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2006 12:23:08 GMT
Hmmm, Having thought about this, surely all that is needed is electronic interlocking between the NR signal controlling access to the single line at Romford and the LUL shunt signal that controls it at Upminster 51 road to prevent either route being cleared when the other has been cleared or if the section is occupied. Along with a position light shunt or LUL shunt at Upminster platform 6 controlled from Upminster cabin to give access to Upminster 51 road. Doesn't seem that insurmountable or expensive (in the great scheme of things) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2006 14:37:23 GMT
Don't forget the fact that the lack of entry signals in the Upminster layout and the complete lack of signals on the Upminster-Romford branch means that any stock movement from NR to the depot requires a full possession of Upminster Depot, Upminster station and the NR line as far as Romford station. IIRC it was BAET or citysig that mentioned this. I think you'll find that was me, via PM, to a few people on here. Effectively, without signalling the whole line from Romford to Upminster, the only way to move stock in or out via the link would be a possession, as all parts would become part of the single line. However, it wouldn't necessarily include the whole of Upminster station, just platform 5. Apologies for misquoting you, then. Hmmm, Having thought about this, surely all that is needed is electronic interlocking between the NR signal controlling access to the single line at Romford and the LUL shunt signal that controls it at Upminster 51 road to prevent either route being cleared when the other has been cleared or if the section is occupied. Along with a position light shunt or LUL shunt at Upminster platform 6 controlled from Upminster cabin to give access to Upminster 51 road. Doesn't seem that insurmountable or expensive (in the great scheme of things) I don't think it's the difficulty of such an installation that is holding matters up, but rather who ultimately funds it. |
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