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Post by programmes1 on Dec 10, 2008 20:04:23 GMT
Went to the LURS meeting last night re Aldwych branch pretty interesting, there was mention of driverless trains in 1935!! 2 trains in operation.
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Post by londonstuff on Dec 10, 2008 21:08:51 GMT
Yes, I went and really enjoyed it. Was also surprised by how many people were there. The idea of 2 trains working in parallel from opposite stations then crossing over at the last minute sounded like a recipe for disaster. I also liked the way when the station was being built, they just 'decided' to swap the bay platform to the other side of the through platform, without getting permission from the relevant authorities! Also, the double edged (I think) points, so that if a train overshot Aldwych, it would be diverted into a dead end tunnel wall rather than the northbound Piccadilly track. Looking forward, very much, to reading the book that's out in the new year.
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Post by ruislip on Dec 11, 2008 2:44:58 GMT
What is the likelihood of using driverless trains in the new millenium, especially over short segments like Chesham-Chalfont, Mill Hill East-Finchley Central, Waterloo and City, Epping-Ongar, etc?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2008 7:53:37 GMT
What is the likelihood of using driverless trains in the new millenium, especially over short segments like Chesham-Chalfont, Mill Hill East-Finchley Central, Waterloo and City, Epping-Ongar, etc? Driverless (i.e. unattended cab) systems tend to be purpose built, fully segregated, and conform to modern fire safety regulations (e.g. emergency walkways in tunnels). Unfortunately most of LUs network does not conform to this, so I doubt we will see much in the way of driverless trains on the LU network.
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Post by 21146 on Dec 11, 2008 12:08:06 GMT
Aldwych 'starred' again in the last episode of Spooks together with a huge amount of artistic licence!
S'funny how the LU-aspect almost spoiled my enjoyment of the series' conclusion as the obvious inaccuracies shook me out of the usual 'suspension of belief' associated with drama.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2008 17:29:51 GMT
The longer tunnels that they were running through, not the ones with tracks but the ones that allegedly led to London Bridge, where were those? Were they the old ones under Euston? Parts of Aldwych? The never-opened deeperline Northern Line tunnels that were used as shelters in WWII? I couldn't figure it out.
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Post by roythebus on Dec 11, 2008 19:13:55 GMT
I have in my posession a copy of a proposal put before parliament in about 1963 to extend the Aldwych branch to Waterloo, terminating in a dead end station under the main station. Powers were granted but the line was never built. I wrote a short article about it in the Model Railway Club's Bulletin about 2 years ago.
Also in the same Act were proposals to extend various District platforms to accomodate 8 car trains and build the current Tower Hill Station, along with various other service tunnel alterations and extension.
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Post by slugabed on Dec 11, 2008 21:54:02 GMT
The longer tunnels that they were running through, not the ones with tracks but the ones that allegedly led to London Bridge, where were those? Were they the old ones under Euston? Parts of Aldwych? The never-opened deeperline Northern Line tunnels that were used as shelters in WWII? I couldn't figure it out. Aldwych station area has plenty of empty tunnels to film in,so it was almost certainly there. For instance,the running tunnel is almost duplicated by a second tunnel,with a crossover between the two (where,incidentally,the track crosses frtom the Easterly to the Westerly of the two tunnels).
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Post by slugabed on Dec 11, 2008 21:59:07 GMT
I have in my posession a copy of a proposal put before parliament in about 1963 to extend the Aldwych branch to Waterloo, terminating in a dead end station under the main station. Powers were granted but the line was never built. I wrote a short article about it in the Model Railway Club's Bulletin about 2 years ago. Is your article available online? If so,could I have a link? I read somewhere that provision was made at Waterloo for platforms for this extension....Do you know anything about this? Was any work done,either at Waterloo or at the Aldwych end? All I know for certain is that the running tunnel south of Aldwych ends in a substantial brick wall.....
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Post by roythebus on Dec 11, 2008 23:51:22 GMT
I have in my posession a copy of a proposal put before parliament in about 1963 to extend the Aldwych branch to Waterloo, terminating in a dead end station under the main station. Powers were granted but the line was never built. I wrote a short article about it in the Model Railway Club's Bulletin about 2 years ago. Is your article available online? If so,could I have a link? I read somewhere that provision was made at Waterloo for platforms for this extension....Do you know anything about this? Was any work done,either at Waterloo or at the Aldwych end? All I know for certain is that the running tunnel south of Aldwych ends in a substantial brick wall.....
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Post by roythebus on Dec 11, 2008 23:53:54 GMT
The article may be available online, try www.themodelrailwayclub.orgI don't know if any works were done at either end, the book I have is the actual parliamentary document my foremer mrs found when she worked for a firm of surveyors in the West end. there are similar books for earlier years listing other less exciting or controversial works. IIRC some were for the later Victoria Line extensions.
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Post by sarah607 on Jan 8, 2009 22:43:44 GMT
i hope one day Aldwych will re open because at weekends covent garden is so busy. how many platforms are there at holbon.
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Post by slugabed on Jan 9, 2009 2:21:38 GMT
how many platforms are there at holbon. Two on the Central Line,Two working ones on the Piccadilly,the Aldwych Branch one,and a little runty one between the Aldwych Branch one and the N/B Picc. This last one hasn't had a track connection for decades. I too would like to see the Aldwych Branch used again,mainly because it seems such a waste to go to all the trouble of building it only to then abandon it. This board has had a heap of ideas for re-using this branch as part of larger schemes,some of which are pretty plausible....
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Post by sarah607 on Jan 10, 2009 18:07:14 GMT
i have heard that some trains are stored at Aldwych is this true?
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Post by maxtube on Jan 10, 2009 18:45:33 GMT
There is one 4-car train of 1972 Mk1 stored at Aldwych, often used in filming, it's in unpainted aluminium but with red ends.
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Post by upfast on Jan 10, 2009 18:45:39 GMT
i have heard that some trains are stored at Aldwych is this true? 72Mk1TS I believe. Used for filming and training.
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Post by sarah607 on Jan 10, 2009 18:59:01 GMT
is it ever moved from there?
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Post by upfast on Jan 10, 2009 18:59:50 GMT
is it ever moved from there? Not off the single line. (I have a feeling that it may be moved on the single though.)
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Post by maxtube on Jan 10, 2009 19:15:02 GMT
i have heard that some trains are stored at Aldwych is this true? 72Mk1TS I believe. Used for filming and training. I think I beat you to it upfast!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2009 19:29:24 GMT
It moves up and down the line - doesn't it go to Northfields for maintenance.
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Post by Tom on Jan 10, 2009 23:07:15 GMT
It used to have to move up and down to prevent the diagram in Earl's Court control room from melting!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2009 2:52:26 GMT
It used to have to move up and down to prevent the diagram in Earl's Court control room from melting! Surely it would be cheaper to loosen the bulb in the diagram.
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Post by Tom on Jan 26, 2009 17:49:23 GMT
If you mean loosening the connection, that would have probably made it worse!
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Post by upfast on Jan 26, 2009 23:12:12 GMT
And some lamps are so bright that they have sticky tape over them to difuse the brightness a bit more!
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Post by myoldmansamushroom on Jan 28, 2009 0:40:38 GMT
It used to have to move up and down to prevent the diagram in Earl's Court control room from melting! I remember when the diagram in the control room had one glass/paper-backed panel replaced with a perspex one as an experiment. Because the Aldwych train never moved far enough to pick up the track circuit, it burned a dirty great black hole in the line diagram!
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 28, 2009 7:58:20 GMT
It used to have to move up and down to prevent the diagram in Earl's Court control room from melting! I remember when the diagram in the control room had one glass/paper-backed panel replaced with a perspex one as an experiment. Because the Aldwych train never moved far enough to pick up the track circuit, it burned a dirty great black hole in the line diagram! That's fairly typical, you only have to look at some of the diagrams in the floodgate relay rooms. Of course the Earl's Court diagrams were all replaced about 5 or 6 years ago in line with the revamp of the control room. It's one of the last things I had anything to do with before I retired, in fact the last job I did was remounting the clocks behind the new diagram panels. Changing bulbs in that place was like repainting the Forth Bridge.
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Post by Tom on Jan 28, 2009 20:16:23 GMT
It used to have to move up and down to prevent the diagram in Earl's Court control room from melting! I remember when the diagram in the control room had one glass/paper-backed panel replaced with a perspex one as an experiment. Because the Aldwych train never moved far enough to pick up the track circuit, it burned a dirty great black hole in the line diagram! That's precisely the one I was thinking of - they had to put the smoke stained glass sandwich back. Those perspex diagrams weren't very good, I have one of them and there are a couple of mistakes on them, mainly relating to X signals.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2009 1:52:19 GMT
If you mean loosening the connection, that would have probably made it worse! I meant loosen as in remove, and just screw the bulb back when needed
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 15:26:29 GMT
if anyone has seen the back of the diagram then you would know to leave it well alone
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 14:54:44 GMT
Hello,
a Question to Aldwych and the Trains on the Aldwych Branch
I read at the Book "Underground Train File" the 1935 Tube Stock runs from May 1954 until 1957, are all 3 Units or only 11010 on the Branch - and the Paint on the 1935 Tube Stock at the Aldwych branch, have the Trains the Cream Coloured around the Windows or Red!
Thanks and Greetings
Dennis
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