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Post by angelislington on Oct 23, 2008 23:14:28 GMT
Evening all,
Today when I was coming through Oxford Circ my lil Viccie train said 'the next station is Oxford Circus: change here for the Central and Bakerloo lines'.
I would like to know if there's any reason why they chose to put Central and then Bakerloo? Talking to MRFS42 we agree that in our preference it should be the other way around (alphabetical order) then we tossed some ideas around about why it should be that way - something to do with which line is more commonly changed onto? The rhythm of the words being better for those with poor hearing?
Did make me think, coz I'm sure that the lines are announced in a different order on the Northern or the Picc at Kings Cross, frinstance.
So - is there a genuine reason, or is it just purely random?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 24, 2008 0:08:49 GMT
I'd have thought that alphabetical would be the most usual, for example I think the order at Baker Street on the Bakerloo Line is "Circle, Hammersmith & City, Jubilee and Metropolitan Lines"
The one that gets me wondering is at Kings Cross where the big railway connections are given as "mainline national, suburban and international". In order of priority I'd suggest international, national and then suburban; and the best sounding would (imho) be national, international and suburban.
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Post by cetacean on Oct 24, 2008 9:30:32 GMT
I believe KXSP is "national and international rail services". It sounds to me like they've shoehorned "international" into "National Rail".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2008 12:11:41 GMT
I know when I have to make an announcement at Kings Cross (several of our trains have dodgy DVA software that tends to not work at the stations where you need it most - Kings Cross, Hammersmith, Acton and Hounslow West are the ones it generally fails at) it comes out as "change for the Northern, Victora, Hammersmith & City, Metropolitan and Circle lines and National and International Rail services". I occasionally get the SSL's a different way around, but I presume I've picked up putting Northern and Victoria first from the DVA (although to be honest, sitting here I couldn't actually guarantee that.. I'll have to listen tonight when I go in), since I try to keep replacement announcements as close as possible to what I remember the 'normal' announcement to be. "National and International rail services" is definitely the Picc Line DVA wording at Kings Cross, though.
Edited to add: the Picc order is Victoria, Northern, Hammersmith & City, Metropolitan and Circle Lines. Which would be reverse alphabetical if not for that pesky Met Line! Although it does stick the extra "and" for the H&C into the middle to, uh, even out the message?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 24, 2008 12:57:58 GMT
The last time I was at Kings Cross I changed from the Circle to the Northern, so I'm guessing it's the Circle Line one that I'm likely thinking of.
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Post by Alight on Oct 31, 2008 12:31:22 GMT
Angel Islington:
I believe it is no doubt random. Another classic is the Piccadilly Line at South Kensington: "Change for the District and Circle Lines" - everyone always seems to put the District before the Circle.
Chris M:
The announcement you are referring to is the Northern Line which reads as "Mainline intercity, suburban and international rail services". Don't forget suburban is still a type of "national". All other lines state "and national and international rail services" as undergroundgal rightly pointed out.
Undergroundgal:
Yes, I have always wondered about that strange order on the Piccadilly Line - I recon it is what they feel sounds best. The Victoria Line does it in alphabetical order which I feel sounds more boring xD
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 16:24:00 GMT
Angel Islington: I believe it is no doubt random. Another classic is the Piccadilly Line at South Kensington: "Change for the District and Circle Lines" - everyone always seems to put the District before the Circle. I'm assuming this is possibly due to the variations in service frequency? The Circle is about eight minutes between trains if I'm recalling correctly, but I think the District is more frequent. Therefore, maybe someone thought it deserved higher priority. Or most likely it is just random/what sounds best and I'm overthinking it. ;) |
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Post by Alight on Nov 1, 2008 18:11:20 GMT
My thoughts would be something along the lines of the fact circle shares between different lines, so the top/eastern part are 'owned' by the "metropolitan" and the lower/western parts are 'owned' by the "district".
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Post by ruislip on Nov 1, 2008 18:16:22 GMT
Change for the District and Circle Lines" - everyone always seems to put the District before the Circle. I wonder if that goes back to the days when the Circle was part of the Metropolitan. I remember that line maps in cars that were around prior to the late '60s (opening of Victoria Line, British Railways changing to British Rail)always had the Circle listed last at interchange stations. On the Piccy car maps even in the mid 70s, Gloucester Rd and South Kensington still had the order as "District, Circle". Plus, the car maps in the A stock probably didn't get upgraded until after I left London in 1975. They had "stickies" put over "Aldersgate" when it became "Barbican", and they still had the original "British Railways" at British Rail interchange stations. |
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Post by Chris M on Nov 2, 2008 3:17:14 GMT
off topic(ish) for this thread but a DLR unit I was on the other day had a stutter. Sometimes it was at the end of the message "This is West India Quay India Quay", "...take your belongings with you belongings with you" and other times at the beginning "This is this is Westferry". Very odd
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