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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 9, 2008 14:22:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2008 18:23:46 GMT
Yes, t'was I. Thanks for that. Glyn.
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Post by ribaric on Oct 17, 2008 12:44:39 GMT
Having spent several years driving ESLs on the Central line's east end and, some years later, trying to keep them serviceable, does anyone know if a decent model of such an ugly old wagon exists?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 14:16:46 GMT
I've been trying to find that out too. Over to you, Metman? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 16:31:59 GMT
Ribaric, did you have any manuals or other technical books given to you when you were trained on them or not? If so, did any of them include a line drawing and/or dimensions? Once I have dimensions I can start 'cutting up plasticard' to quote Metman from another thread on the subject. If I can to make one it may be just as easy to make two......
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Post by ribaric on Oct 17, 2008 17:22:10 GMT
Sorry Glyn, I have nothing now.
I worked at Hainault depot as a Techie for several months during 1983/4-ish. My job was to train the people on the chopper equipped Craven and to rescue the ESLs which had a 50% failure rate the previous winter. There were just a pile of old yellowing schematics and a cupboard full of traction control resistors (bloody deadly things to replace 'on-juice') so I just worked my way through the systems one-by-one to get them back into order. I must admit that I loved putting all that ancient stuff into working order, it was one of the best few months I ever spent on LT - apart from the rubbish money we techies got. I still remember how everything went together but as for dimensions etc... sorry.
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Post by metman on Oct 17, 2008 23:59:18 GMT
Sadly no models exist!  There are rough dimensions on wiki, but they're as reliable as the Sun! |
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Post by ribaric on Oct 18, 2008 7:06:21 GMT
Ah well! Perhaps it's time for a long-overdue visit to that museum at Ealing Common (it's still there isn't it?). Next time I get over to blighty I'll see if I can make the trip - with a tape measure. It'll be a start.
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 18, 2008 9:06:38 GMT
Sorry Glyn, I have nothing now. I worked at Hainault depot as a Techie for several months during 1983/4-ish. My job was to train the people on the chopper equipped Craven and to rescue the ESLs which had a 50% failure rate the previous winter. There were just a pile of old yellowing schematics and a cupboard full of traction control resistors (bloody deadly things to replace 'on-juice') so I just worked my way through the systems one-by-one to get them back into order. I must admit that I loved putting all that ancient stuff into working order, it was one of the best few months I ever spent on LT - apart from the rubbish money we techies got. I still remember how everything went together but as for dimensions etc... sorry. The sleet locos I remember on the Picc had electro-pneumatic contactors from the T Stock and master controllers from the F Stock. The T Stock equipment needed a battery, unlike the BTH equipment on Standard Stock. The control switch was on the wrong side of the cab at the west(?) end because of the way they were built as motor cars. Also IIRC the compressor was on that side too, unlike other old tube motor cars. The motors and bogies were the original CLR ones dating from 1903. I have got some measurements but I'll have to dig them out from scattered files. |
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Post by ribaric on Oct 18, 2008 9:20:47 GMT
There were about three-ish ESLs at Hainault but I don't recall any of them having a battery of any description. The EP traction contactors were operated from 630v via volt-drop resistors (also via the master controller - gulp!) as, I think, was everything else. There were not that many notches (six maybe?) and the motors never got beyond series anyway. The thing still took off like a dragster.
The overload reset 'device' proved of great assistance to smokers - you didn't need matches or a lighter, just pull an arc and bingo! The lighting was in groups of five bulbs wired in series - if you lost one, you lost the lot. I'm wondering if these wagons contained some of the longest serving equipment ever used over the network?
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 18, 2008 9:34:32 GMT
Sleet loco dimensions:
Motor Bogie wheelbase: 1829mm
Trailer bogie wheelbase: 1524mm
Bogie arrangement: Motor - Trailer - Trailer - Motor
Bogie centres: 3658 + 2807 + 3658
Front of cab panelling to leading bogie centre: 1600mm
Front of cab panelling to end of switch compartment: 3657.5mm
Width over body panels: 2532mm
Height to top of rail: 2857.5mm
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Post by ribaric on Oct 18, 2008 15:07:04 GMT
Get cuttin' Glyn.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 19:23:34 GMT
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 19, 2008 19:49:06 GMT
These might help a bit in the production of the drawing: Cab 1, Cab 2Not brilliant pictures, but I found them sculling around in the depths of the computer. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 19:56:44 GMT
Thank you. It all helps. It may take a while though so don't hold your breath! Theres a backlog of other stuff to finish first, as soon as time, wife and daughters allow......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2008 1:27:19 GMT
After being so pleasantly surprised to find someone with measurements for the sleet loco I suppose it would be pushng my luck to ask if anyone has measurements for the bogie open wagons used on the Watford tip workings etc..
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Post by ribaric on Oct 22, 2008 13:18:19 GMT
I did the tip trains for a few weeks in 1972 when we used the bog standard "flat cars". If these are the bogie wagons you are referring to then they are still plentiful in number - at least they were about 5 years ago. Do you know anyone working at Ruislip dept who also owns a tape measure?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2008 0:37:32 GMT
Another sleet loco question. As they were fitted with tube height ward couplers, were there ever any occasions when they were sent out on workings that actually involved towing anything or were they forbidden from such exertions?
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Post by tubeprune on Dec 12, 2008 15:57:52 GMT
Another sleet loco question. As they were fitted with tube height ward couplers, were there ever any occasions when they were sent out on workings that actually involved towing anything or were they forbidden from such exertions? IIRC they had wedgelock-ward coupling adaptors. You wouldn't have wanted to use a sleet loco to push anything but they might have needed to be pushed out. I think one was rescued from Barons Court by a 59TS once. |
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Post by CSLR on Dec 12, 2008 17:30:11 GMT
You wouldn't have wanted to use a sleet loco to push anything but they might have needed to be pushed out. I think one was rescued from Barons Court by a 59TS once. I agree with Tubeprune that you would not have wanted to use a sleet loco to push anything; however, they did actually do some pushing sometimes - even if unintentionally. They were even rather good at pushing their way through things and, when they did, they were strong enough to ensure that they and their crews reappeared on the other side almost totally unscathed. If you do not understand what I am talking about, just think 'sheds' and 'doors'  Enough said Good night! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2008 14:57:37 GMT
Sleet loco dimensions: Motor Bogie wheelbase: 1829mm Trailer bogie wheelbase: 1524mm Bogie arrangement: Motor - Trailer - Trailer - Motor Bogie centres: 3658 + 2807 + 3658 Front of cab panelling to leading bogie centre: 1600mm Front of cab panelling to end of switch compartment: 3657.5mm Width over body panels: 2532mm Height to top of rail: 2857.5mm I have transposed these (via a long tape measure) to 'proper' measurements as befitting the age of the stock! Motor Bogie Wheelbase; 6ft Trailing Bogie Wheelbase; 5ft Bogie centres; 12ft x 9ft 2 1/2in x 12ft Front of Cab Panelling to Leading Bogie Centre; 5ft 3in Front of Cab Panelling to End of Switrch Compartment; 12ft. Width Over Body Panels; 8ft 3 3/4in Height To Top Of Rail; 9ft 4 1/2in. A suitable motor bogie with a suitably low speed range exists underneath Bachmanns 'Underground Ernie' sets! It's bad enough that I bought an 'Underground Ernie' set for my five-year-old daughter without me eyeing up the power bogie already! What a terrible parent I am!  By the way, does anyone know the wheel diameters as I assume that the trailer bogies and motor bogies wheels are not the same. Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 9:48:13 GMT
Yes, it's another question! I read somewhere that ESL100 only had three bogies instead of four when first converted. Did it stay like this for its entire career or was it modified to match the others? I will move heaven and earth to be at the Acton Depots open weekend in March and hopefully the staff will let me run a measure over ESL107! THEN maybe I can start cutting up plasticard! Thanks all.
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 7, 2009 10:59:59 GMT
Yes, it's another question! I read somewhere that ESL100 only had three bogies instead of four when first converted. Did it stay like this for its entire career or was it modified to match the others? I will move heaven and earth to be at the Acton Depots open weekend in March and hopefully the staff will let me run a measure over ESL107! THEN maybe I can start cutting up plasticard! Thanks all. ESL100 was modified to be like the others. |
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 7, 2009 11:08:18 GMT
By the way, does anyone know the wheel diameters as I assume that the trailer bogies and motor bogies wheels are not the same. Thanks. Motor wheels 3ft-0ins, trailer wheels 2ft-6ins. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 20:51:19 GMT
Thanks Tubeprune. A mine of information as always!
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There are rough dimensions on wiki, but they're as reliable as the Sun!
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