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Post by metman on Jan 18, 2010 23:15:43 GMT
I was told a year ago that when 2 trains are in NP the scrapping will start. With 12 and 77 gone, there is only room for 3 more 09ts!
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 18, 2010 23:32:40 GMT
I think one must be saved because they were the first automatic underground train, and they look cool, better than that rubbish we have now! ;D Yes, but there are several other types being replaced soon. I think it would be better to preserve other stock now, as the 67TS is very similar to the 72TS that will be in service for another 10 years. I was told a year ago that when 2 trains are in NP the scrapping will start. Do you mean two production 09TS delivered, or two in service? How often will a train of 09TS be delivered?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2010 0:10:36 GMT
Is the plan still to supplement the 72 stock with some cars of 67 stock, once all the 09 stock is in revenue earning service?
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 19, 2010 0:12:15 GMT
No 67TS will be going to the Bakerloo, as the service won't be extended to Watford Junction until the 72TS is replaced.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jan 19, 2010 6:35:57 GMT
Going a bit off topic here - But as said on the posters in the 2009ts, a new train will be delivered every two weeks or was it enter service every two weeks? That means that by Thursday, 3 new 2009ts should be in London. Have there already been 2 new deliveries?
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Post by metman on Jan 19, 2010 8:14:31 GMT
I was led to believe by an old friend who was involved in the VLU that there are only 2 free roads at Northumberland Park. When these are full, the 67ts will have to start going.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2010 14:44:32 GMT
I was led to believe by an old friend who was involved in the VLU that there are only 2 free roads at Northumberland Park. When these are full, the 67ts will have to start going. Sounds quite plausible - the depot had to be extended in the early 90s for the additional trains created by the insertion of the middle cars of 72 stock, and the site is pretty cramped. It means that the 09 stock will have to work out of the box when delivered - so no having half a dozen trains sitting around awaiting commissioning or attention to minor faults, as often happens on the national network. You could possibly take some redundant 67 stock via the connection at Finsbury Park to somewhere else for warm storage and return to the Vic if necessary, but that won't be possible if you get a bunch of 09 stock with faults because it won't fit down the Picc tunnels. The only thing you could possibly do with surplus 09 trains is to put them in the sidings at Brixton, Victoria, Kings Cross and Walthamstow temporarily - but I imagine you could only use two or three of these roads in total without disrupting the service.
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Post by metman on Jan 19, 2010 18:29:13 GMT
Yes quite, and I don't remember which sidings are used for stabling trains in either?
I certainly would like to see some 67s in warm storage!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2010 21:47:49 GMT
I don't think KX is used for stabling, only for putting defective trains out of the way and reversing north to south in co emergency. Someone - MRFS? - might be able to confirm. Historical interlude: I remember when there used to be regular reversers at Kings Cross in the 70s, perhaps 1 in 4 northbound trains even when service intervals were only every 3 or 4 minutes!
Brixton and Walthamstow are used for overnight stabling - I think one train at Walthamstow and two at Brixton? Not sure about Victoria - again perhaps someone can confirm.
Incidentally what the the purpose of these out-stablers? Is it because space in the depot is so tight, or is it so that there are a few trains on the line in case the depot access gets blocked? If the latter I would have thought you need at least 7 or 8 trains even to run just a shuttle on part of the line (say Walthamstow to Highbury) without causing dangerous overcrowding in the peak.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2010 22:10:50 GMT
Current Vic Line outstabling is 2 Walthamstow, 2 Brixton and 1 Victoria, with the rest from NPD.
I am fairly certain that the last of the regular King's Cross reversers were withdrawn from WTT No.22 operative from 28/3/89. In the previous WTT (No.21) there were KX reversers only Sats before 11.00 and after 19.00 and on Sundays after 14.00 which became the norm from WTT No.19 of 1/10.84.
MF midday KX reversers were abolished from WTT No.14 of 10/1/77 apart from a couple of rusty rail moves.
MF evening KX reversers were abolished from WTT No.15 of 2/5/77.
I should have added that there is still one KX reverser each day for "rusty rail" purposes, even in current WTT No.32, 22.36-22.45 MF, 22.21-22.38 SO and 21.46-22.02 Sun.
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Post by North End on Jan 19, 2010 22:42:32 GMT
I don't think KX is used for stabling, only for putting defective trains out of the way and reversing north to south in co emergency. Someone - MRFS? - might be able to confirm. Historical interlude: I remember when there used to be regular reversers at Kings Cross in the 70s, perhaps 1 in 4 northbound trains even when service intervals were only every 3 or 4 minutes! Brixton and Walthamstow are used for overnight stabling - I think one train at Walthamstow and two at Brixton? Not sure about Victoria - again perhaps someone can confirm. Incidentally what the the purpose of these out-stablers? Is it because space in the depot is so tight, or is it so that there are a few trains on the line in case the depot access gets blocked? If the latter I would have thought you need at least 7 or 8 trains even to run just a shuttle on part of the line (say Walthamstow to Highbury) without causing dangerous overcrowding in the peak. Apart from freeing up some space in the depot, the main reason is most probably to provide the first trains of the day from Brixton. Otherwise the first northbound train would have to come south from Northumberland Park, which would otherwise needlessly shorten engineering hours, or make the first train later.
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Post by csalem on Jan 23, 2010 10:22:29 GMT
It was a good thing I got this train when I did then! Must try to photograph more Victoria stock next time in London but it can be a bit difficult to get them while underground. Maybe I should head out towards the depot.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 23, 2010 22:36:42 GMT
Apart from freeing up some space in the depot, the main reason is most probably to provide the first trains of the day from Brixton. Otherwise the first northbound train would have to come south from Northumberland Park, which would otherwise needlessly shorten engineering hours, or make the first train later. I think there was an occasion not too long back where there was a problem getting trains out of the depot for some reason. The outstabled trains provided a service between Kings Cross and Victoria until the problem could be sorted iirc. I'm sure I read about it on this forum, but I can't find the relevant thread using the search.
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Post by metman on Feb 4, 2010 23:47:28 GMT
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