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Post by superteacher on Aug 18, 2008 9:35:59 GMT
Regarding the proposed action on the Tubelines group (Jubilee, Northern and Piccadilly), are we looking at a potential total shutdown of these lines?
Also, will it affect the District and Metropolitan lines, which share some of the tracks / depots with the Picc / Jubilee?
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Post by upfast on Aug 18, 2008 9:50:23 GMT
Well if it all goes ahead and there are no fleet staff, their trains won't be offered for service.
Tubelines are responsible for the 4 track section between Wembley Park and Finchley Road. They also deal with first line signalling faults between Acton Town and Ealing Broadway.
Staff shortage in the Fault Report Centres have the ability to cause network disruption.
However, most importantly, Tubelines operate the Emergency Response Unit and Distribution Services (including network wide refuse collection). If both those walk out, then the whole combine could possibly shut down.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 18, 2008 12:08:11 GMT
Could be an interesting day (or few days) - although not if you need to get to work I suppose.
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Post by ducatisti on Aug 18, 2008 12:11:27 GMT
When will we know?
(I'll just wheel the bike out of the shed and add to the pollution content)
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Post by superteacher on Aug 18, 2008 12:17:40 GMT
When will we know? (I'll just wheel the bike out of the shed and add to the pollution content) Supposed to be from late morning on Wednesday, although there is always the chance it will get called off. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2008 19:11:03 GMT
They also deal with first line signalling faults between Acton Town and Ealing Broadway. So presumably the District should be OK as long as nothing fails on that section? If Ealing Common depot ends up cut off from the rest of the line it could make things interesting! |
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Post by upfast on Aug 18, 2008 19:13:23 GMT
They also deal with first line signalling faults between Acton Town and Ealing Broadway. So presumably the District should be OK as long as nothing fails on that section? If Ealing Common depot ends up cut off from the rest of the line it could make things interesting! Metronet may try and send some of their staff out. Of course anyone entering, let alone carrying out work in an IMR must have or be with someone holding the relevant licences. |
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Post by happybunny on Aug 18, 2008 19:15:41 GMT
RMT are advising staff (i.e. Drivers) not to work under the grounds of H&S as there is no ERU (well that is how I interpreted the letter I received) .
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Post by upfast on Aug 18, 2008 19:20:56 GMT
RMT are advising staff (i.e. Drivers) not to work under the grounds of H&S as there is no ERU (well that is how I interpreted the letter I received) . All that needs to happen is for a few signal failures requiring parts (on any part of the network), needing speed restrictions put in (on any part of the network) or many of the other tasks that the ERU deal, to have an affect. Plus the security risk of un-collected refuse outside stations and offices. These two could cause network wide disruption. |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 18, 2008 19:26:35 GMT
RMT are advising staff (i.e. Drivers) not to work under the grounds of H&S as there is no ERU (well that is how I interpreted the letter I received) . Thought that old Bob Crow had been a bit too quiet recently! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2008 20:49:17 GMT
The fines imposed by TfL on Tubelines must be massive for days of no service. If there were to be a person under a train, would the line have to close until the close of traffic? do Metronet even have the facilities to deal with a one-under?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2008 21:12:21 GMT
Fortunately I've had no direct experience of a person under a train. I presume ERU would normally attend to assist if required in removing an injured person.
If there is no ERU available, are LFB able to jack up trains etc? If not, is there a risk of a person under a train dying who might otherwise survive? Or would LFB just hack the train to bits to get them out?
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Post by superteacher on Aug 18, 2008 21:28:57 GMT
It seems like the ERU issue could be VERY significant . . .
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Post by upfast on Aug 19, 2008 3:24:43 GMT
do Metronet even have the facilities to deal with a one-under? No! If there is no ERU available, are LFB able to jack up trains etc? If not, is there a risk of a person under a train dying who might otherwise survive? Or would LFB just hack the train to bits to get them out? Most likely the latter. |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 19, 2008 9:59:35 GMT
I can envisage a total shutdown tomorrow.
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Post by happybunny on Aug 19, 2008 16:35:42 GMT
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 19, 2008 17:25:55 GMT
It seems like the ERU issue could be VERY significant . . . Wouldnt the situation be similar to the fire strike - if there were a risk to life people would drive the ERU, but not get cats out of trees etc. |
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 19, 2008 17:36:03 GMT
Typical right wing trash, and as to the views, well, its little more than a rant without knowing the situation. Maybe Richard Head Murray wrote them himself. |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 21, 2008 21:37:35 GMT
According to BBC London news, there is some form of strike action on the Bakerloo and District lines tomorrow. Who does it involve, and will there be an impact on services?
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 21, 2008 22:11:24 GMT
Bakerloo strike is the ongoing dispute over a fellow colleague who was assaulted, he defended himself and then got into a heap of trouble. District trouble is due to a bullying manager who thinks they can sack people. On the Bakerloo, the RMT are hoping as many drivers as possible will down tools in support of their station colleague. There is a thread about this in the Bakerloo section, titled "Local strike". Background to District strike. www.rmtplatform.org.uk/taxonomy/term/5 |
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 22, 2008 22:14:26 GMT
Just as the Standard article is hugely biased, so the RMT one will be...
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