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Post by superteacher on Aug 15, 2008 22:27:15 GMT
According to TFL site, District and Circle lines are totally suspended, along with part of Hammersmith & City and Piccadilly due to faulty communications equipment.
Any more info from anybody?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 23:46:44 GMT
Not info as such but thank fook I didn't stay out for more than one drink after work tonight otherwise would have had a grim journey home!
Anyway, was getting back around ten-ish and no Heathrow trains out of four on display, which is unusual. Got on one going my way and then saw a District train at Barons Court out of service. My train stopped at all possible stations to Acton Town which only happens when District goes tits up, and you could see a lot of trains waiting in platforms on the local lines.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 16, 2008 0:04:26 GMT
Its clearly not been a good evening for the network - according to the live travel info on the TfL site:
Bakerloo - Suspended Queens Park - Harrow & Wealdstone (Signal failure at Stonebridge Park)
Circle - Suspended (Faulty communications equipment)
District - Suspended (as per Circle)
Hammersmith & City - Suspended Baker Street - Hammersmith and Whitechapel - Barking (as per Circle)
Met - Suspended north of Moor Park (signal failure at Moor Park)
Picc - Suspended westbound Green Park - Acton Town (as per Circle)
DLR - Disrupted due to systems failure
Overground - Euston to Watford Jn - Severe delays (signal failure at Harlesden)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2008 5:17:30 GMT
Chaos continues - additionally lost the Met for 30 mins this morning.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2008 11:15:42 GMT
I know what the problem is - me. Yes I went out yesterday and had no way of getting home. No District due to "technical difficulties" I had also missed the last Romford train and had to get various buses home and walk a long way too. Took about 4 hours from central London. Another nice evening ruined. I think we'll be the laughing stock of the world come 2012 and the Olympics. Hey what's new ?!
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Post by District Dave on Aug 16, 2008 12:25:02 GMT
There was a total failure of the Connect radio system (at least on the District - I think other lines where affected too) at about 22:30 last night.
Trains were left to run empty until the close of traffic - presumably in case the service was restored.
Suffice it to say when I booked on at 05:15 this morning the system was still down and trains were again running empty at start of traffic.
The service was restored at about 06:30 and things started operating 'normally'.
I don't know what the cause of the problem but given previous occurences it sounds like another software glitch - that is speculation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2008 12:34:10 GMT
Didn't trains used to run without a radio system ? Is this a safety requirement and what risk would be involved on the District Line ? I can perhaps understand the deep level tunnel lines needing radio.
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Post by upfast on Aug 16, 2008 13:19:09 GMT
Didn't trains used to run without a radio system ? Is this a safety requirement and what risk would be involved on the District Line ? I can perhaps understand the deep level tunnel lines needing radio. It came in in 2005 following the London bombings. Every train in passenger service must have a working radio. The problem last night was a router, it is still ongoing with some calls going to the wrong service controller. |
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Post by railtechnician on Aug 16, 2008 13:27:52 GMT
Didn't trains used to run without a radio system ? Is this a safety requirement and what risk would be involved on the District Line ? I can perhaps understand the deep level tunnel lines needing radio. Technology is a wonderful thing and modern communications are an extremely useful tool but in my opinion they are relied upon too heavily and to such an extent that H&S has used them as a peg to hang its hat on. The problem is that management have forgotten how to run a railway safely without them and no-one is trained to do so any more. This is not an LUL specific disease but one which now permeates every major public service in the country, especially the Police and Ambulance services. |
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Post by upfast on Aug 16, 2008 16:42:18 GMT
The problem even meant that they had a train 018 running about!
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Post by superteacher on Aug 16, 2008 21:57:18 GMT
Didn't trains used to run without a radio system ? Is this a safety requirement and what risk would be involved on the District Line ? I can perhaps understand the deep level tunnel lines needing radio. Technology is a wonderful thing and modern communications are an extremely useful tool but in my opinion they are relied upon too heavily and to such an extent that H&S has used them as a peg to hang its hat on. The problem is that management have forgotten how to run a railway safely without them and no-one is trained to do so any more. This is not an LUL specific disease but one which now permeates every major public service in the country, especially the Police and Ambulance services. An excellent point. However did they cope before radios . . . (said with tongue in cheek, and a hint of sarcasm!) Must have really pleased (and confused) to have seen trains running around empty! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2008 22:43:57 GMT
The problem even meant that they had a train 018 running about! How did they display that on the front of the train?  |
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Post by Colin on Aug 17, 2008 14:04:39 GMT
With regard to the "we managed without radio years ago" brigade.....
Given what happened on 7/7/05, surely LUL would have been severely criticised if they had kept people on trains, stuck between stations for hours on end (ie, no radio to advise drivers to get to the next platform & evacuate)?
Moving on from that particular event, as a passenger, wouldn't you like to know why your train keeps stopping & starting between stations?
wouldn't you like to know that the next station, which may well be your destination, has been closed unexpectedly and your train isn't going to stop there?
wouldn't you prefer that your train was held in the platform with the doors open rather than sat in a tunnel because the train ahead has had an emergency alarm operated?
I'm sure I could go on. In this day & age of technology, train radio is an essential safety & information tool - without it chaos would reign supreme.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 17, 2008 14:57:26 GMT
When I made the point about how they managed years ago, it wasn't a criticism of radios. Of course they are an essential part of the operation.
But, they did manage! Hard to imagine life without PA systems on trains. Many a time was spend sitting on a train, wondering why it wasn't moving!
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Post by astock5000 on Aug 17, 2008 16:04:45 GMT
as a passenger, wouldn't you like to know why your train keeps stopping & starting between stations? wouldn't you like to know that the next station, which may well be your destination, has been closed unexpectedly and your train isn't going to stop there? wouldn't you prefer that your train was held in the platform with the doors open rather than sat in a tunnel because the train ahead has had an emergency alarm operated? I would prefer not knowing what was happening to the line being suspended. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2008 16:45:51 GMT
I all depends on reasons. If its something not serious (by not serious I mean not particularly dangerous) then yes but if its a bomb scare people are 10x more likely to panic and cause more potential injury to themselves and others through doing that.
I think it should be down to the drivers discretion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2008 9:27:14 GMT
What is actually said may vary, of course... For example, it would be sufficient, and not necessarily alarming, to advise customers that the train will terminate at the next station and to seek advice, especially if the problem is some distance away.
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Post by railtechnician on Aug 27, 2008 19:46:18 GMT
With regard to the "we managed without radio years ago" brigade..... Given what happened on 7/7/05, surely LUL would have been severely criticised if they had kept people on trains, stuck between stations for hours on end (ie, no radio to advise drivers to get to the next platform & evacuate)? Moving on from that particular event, as a passenger, wouldn't you like to know why your train keeps stopping & starting between stations? wouldn't you like to know that the next station, which may well be your destination, has been closed unexpectedly and your train isn't going to stop there? wouldn't you prefer that your train was held in the platform with the doors open rather than sat in a tunnel because the train ahead has had an emergency alarm operated? I'm sure I could go on. In this day & age of technology, train radio is an essential safety & information tool - without it chaos would reign supreme. Colin, I made a valid point, while I agree with most of your repost my point was that H&S nowadays is more about mitigation of responsibility than the H&S improvements that are claimed. Some of the incidents to which you refer were less likely before train radio, there were guards on trains, the DRICO system, SPTs, manned local signal cabins, station masters etc etc. I accept that the world has moved on and as someone who spent years installing and maintaining LUs train radio systems I won't knock a good thing but it should not be the be all and end all of railway ops. |
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