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Post by gypsy78 on Aug 12, 2008 16:19:02 GMT
Recently south of Ickenham when I was on the met, I've noticed several times a Picadilly train sitting in a siding/headshunt, where did these trains come from?
Did they come from Ruislip depot or do they go there from Rayner's lane to ease congestion after terminating, or somewhere else?
it seems a confusing and awark place to be sent just to do a run a round.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2008 17:22:25 GMT
Thats ruislip sidings used in the peak or when pics are running late and occaisionally met trains. Its quite close to ickenham, the reception road into ruislip depot is something like a mile long on the other side.
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Post by Oracle on Aug 12, 2008 17:51:38 GMT
When did the Hillingdon terminators finish? These were the trains that ran straight into Uxbridge Sidings in case anyone did not know.
The tour that I was on many moons ago traversed the Ruislip Siding and thence the spur into Ruislip depot, passing over a depot level road crossing.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 12, 2008 22:27:41 GMT
The Hillingdon terminators went in the early 90's I think, when they stopped stabling Picc trains in Uxbridge sidings. Now, I believe that 1 train does stable in Uxbridge sidings, but this is at the end of traffic, and terminates at Uxbridge.
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Post by metman on Aug 12, 2008 23:49:46 GMT
Yes, the train leaves Rayners Lane at 0119.
The Ruislip siding is used by many picc trains during peak hours as a short working slot on the line. As far as I know, there are no Picc reversals at Rayners during peak hours ( I may be wrong!!)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2008 1:17:18 GMT
When did the Hillingdon terminators finish? These were the trains that ran straight into Uxbridge Sidings in case anyone did not know. The tour that I was on many moons ago traversed the Ruislip Siding and thence the spur into Ruislip depot, passing over a depot level road crossing. I think it was quite a while ago now I know thats the reason the pic trains have hillingdon/uxbridge on the DMI in the city
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2008 1:18:55 GMT
The Hillingdon terminators went in the early 90's I think, when they stopped stabling Picc trains in Uxbridge sidings. Now, I believe that 1 train does stable in Uxbridge sidings, but this is at the end of traffic, and terminates at Uxbridge. The last train at night stables on 38road(i think it was 38) that road is used because the mets would obscure the view so they cant tell if it has been graffitied. Except sundays when the last one is a met.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2008 1:21:36 GMT
Yes, the train leaves Rayners Lane at 0119. The Ruislip siding is used by many picc trains during peak hours as a short working slot on the line. As far as I know, there are no Picc reversals at Rayners during peak hours ( I may be wrong!!) Rayners has reversers all day. ruislips start about 6.55ish in the morning peak then finish just after and again for the late peak but often continue well on depending on the state of the service or for individual trains that are running late
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Post by superteacher on Aug 13, 2008 8:49:36 GMT
In the peaks, every third train on the Uxbridge line reverses at Rayners, every third at Ruislip with the remaining third actually going to Uxbridge.
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Post by gypsy78 on Aug 13, 2008 16:53:25 GMT
i noticed the pic trains there at about 9:30 in the morning, im guessing they were going into the depot after the morning peak.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 13, 2008 17:42:42 GMT
i noticed the pic trains there at about 9:30 in the morning, im guessing they were going into the depot after the morning peak. Picc trains do not stable at Ruislip. All trains terminating in Ruislip siding return back in service.
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Post by ruislip on Aug 13, 2008 18:18:38 GMT
i noticed the pic trains there at about 9:30 in the morning, im guessing they were going into the depot after the morning peak. IIRC, isn't the Depot only for Central Line trains?
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Post by superteacher on Aug 13, 2008 18:38:14 GMT
i noticed the pic trains there at about 9:30 in the morning, im guessing they were going into the depot after the morning peak. IIRC, isn't the Depot only for Central Line trains? Yes, although it is also used for engineers trains.
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Post by ruislip on Aug 13, 2008 20:36:37 GMT
I knew that the engineer's trains and some p-way trains use Ruislip Depot, as well as regular maintenance and upkeep for the Central.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 2:07:58 GMT
Ruislip depot goes between ruislip and ruislip gardens on the central but there is loads of track between there, the reception road alone is at least half a mile long from what i can remember.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 15, 2008 8:31:17 GMT
Ruislip is a huge depot, and was built large in anticipation of the Central line going out to Denham, and projected traffic growth on the branch. The first never happened, and the second never really came up to expectation. The depot only provides about 20 trains for Central line passenger service, although it does undertake much of the major maintenance of the stock.
Despite never really being used to full potential, the depot has come in useful for storing newly delivered stock. When the 1973 stock for the Picc was delivered, there were huge delays in getting it into service, and much of it was stored in Ruislip cepot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 14:27:47 GMT
Does anyone else here know that the pointwork at ruislp siding allows for reversals on the mainline going east/south to west/north?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 15:47:07 GMT
Does anyone else here know that the pointwork at ruislp siding allows for reversals on the mainline going east/south to west/north? Yeah but its never used 9a is the shunt into the siding and 9b is the colour light to go east-west. It is a colour light signal coming out but as its a shunt to get in from all directions this seems a bit pointless as you cant get punters in to get them out on a colour light.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 18:01:44 GMT
still good for a uxbridge- ickenham shuttle we ever had to run it (probably the same day as my lotto numbers coming up!)
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Post by Ben on Aug 18, 2008 19:24:51 GMT
Why was the crossover at ruislip station removed when the goods yard closed? It was after all electrified. And, perhaps more perversely, why does it still exist on the TfL local area maps as part of the trackwork?
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Post by superteacher on Aug 18, 2008 19:48:58 GMT
Why was the crossover at ruislip station removed when the goods yard closed? It was after all electrified. And, perhaps more perversely, why does it still exist on the TfL local area maps as part of the trackwork? They made lots of simplifications in those days, in the name of economy. Passengers numbers were declining then, so a lot of track and signalling simplifications were undertaken. Of course, they are now very much regretted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2008 22:03:13 GMT
Yeah but its never used 9a is the shunt into the siding and 9b is the colour light to go east-west. It is a colour light signal coming out but as its a shunt to get in from all directions this seems a bit pointless as you cant get punters in to get them out on a colour light. On a few occasions in the last couple of years, there has been a tamper or engineers train working west of Ruislip Siding. This would come from the siding onto the e/b and reverse to the w/b using 9B. The return to Ruislip Depot has involved the shunt from the e/b to the sdg using 9A. Also a number of years ago, there was a booked Met rusty rail at start of traffic, from Uxbridge Sdgs (E) to Uxbridge via the e/b to w/b reverse and a corresponding return at end of traffic using 9B for both moves. Someone else will have to tell you which WTT that was as I can't find it.
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Post by mrfs42 on Aug 18, 2008 22:45:57 GMT
Someone else will have to tell you which WTT that was as I can't find it. I've got it, as I remember noticing that was a bit unusual when I read that WTT. However, I can't (sorry) be faffed to get the ladder out to reach that bit of the WTT library at the moment. On the bright side, I've got a bit of digging around to do with post-1970 stock transfer paths to New Cross in a couple of weeks so I'll have a look then if I remember.
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