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Post by Oracle on Jul 14, 2008 13:27:21 GMT
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=REXn0RZ4XAYSeems as though Piccdriver was bringing back the good old days of the 'racetrack' Picc! Today it seems to be much slower between Acton and Hammersmith..heavier trains, speed restrictions, etc. no doubt. I just loved the 1938 Stock on that section...creaking, groaning and armchair comfort. Glorious!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2008 17:07:34 GMT
Not bad, but he drops marks for failing to observe the whistle board passing through Stamford brook
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Post by Oracle on Jul 14, 2008 20:15:22 GMT
Yes, I wondered whether anyone would spot that! Note the WHISTLE board in the gap between the Fast lines that he / she forgets.
Piccdriver has several videos on Youtube, and if you find them you can see a driver's eye view of most but not all of the Picc.
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Post by londonstuff on Jul 14, 2008 20:31:09 GMT
Is the 'whistle' command meant to be mandatory - hardly ever hear the Picc drivers whistle by Turnham Green or Stamford Brook. Is the one by the Olympia branch on the District still there, I never hear anyone doing that either!?
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Post by Oracle on Jul 14, 2008 20:42:32 GMT
When did it come in? It used to be a requirement when trains were out of service and runnning through stations during traffic hours.
I know that there is a requirement to whistle at underpasses etc., e.g. under the GWR main line on the H&C, but would have thought that if it says so, you must toot. There is a pedestrian accomodation crossing near here over the Bournemouth line and it is compulsory to toot...which is annoying to neighbours and at >90 mph there is insufficient warning time anyway!
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Post by Phil on Jul 14, 2008 21:06:52 GMT
On NR at least it is MANDATORY to sound warning when passing a whistle board. There's always a reason for it being there, even if not obvious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2008 21:12:03 GMT
Is the 'whistle' command meant to be mandatory? Its not meant to be mandatory, it is mandatory to observe whistle boards between 0700-1900hrs. That one at Stamford brook seems a little unnecessary really (good sighting for p/way, no passenger interference) but there must be a reason for its presence that isn't immediately apparent, whereas the ones at Turnham and Ravenscourt on the east do provide a useful warning to those standing nearer the fast line for whom a train can 'suddenly' appear (!) and for p/way immediately east of those stations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 2:37:46 GMT
Do you guys have to rely on visual alone for the signals? There's so much to take in at that speed.
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Post by Dmitri on Jul 15, 2008 6:39:04 GMT
Do you guys have to rely on visual alone for the signals? Is there anything else they can rely on ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 7:22:11 GMT
Do you guys have to rely on visual alone for the signals? There's so much to take in at that speed. In a word?........................................................ Yes. Its only 45mph through that stretch (in the youtube clip) so its not too taxing..............as long as you're looking where you're meant to be! Though if theres a d-stock ahead on the local, the red signals behind it can frighten the newer driver (as from a distance they can appear as if they're for the Picc!) ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 9:29:36 GMT
Do you guys have to rely on visual alone for the signals? Is there anything else they can rely on :D? Not really, apart from route training to tell you *where* the signals are...! Some of the signals have repeaters, but the idea is always that, if you're going at line speed, you ought to be able to stop at a signal if you brake as soon as you see it at red. Repeaters are generally provided to give extra distance in cases where curves/dips/infrastructure would prevent you from managing this.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 15, 2008 11:34:50 GMT
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jWTjHHmF9R0From the same source. By the way can you interchange in practice between the Picc and Heathrow Excess at T5? I can't see why you would unless like me you came from Hounslow West or say Hatton X and you wanted to get to Paddington the quickest way.
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Post by cetacean on Jul 15, 2008 12:04:15 GMT
Yes, escalator up to arrivals, walk across, lift down to Heathrow Express concourse. It's certainly easier than doing it at Central.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 1:54:47 GMT
I've noticed before, and its on the first video too - the TSR approaching Hammersmith - thats been there a fair while now, anyone know why? And, curiosity - when do TSR's become PSR's??? Thanks all Steve
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 8:35:14 GMT
I've noticed before, and its on the first video too - the TSR approaching Hammersmith - thats been there a fair while now, anyone know why? Thats a Permanent Speed Restriction (PSR) now (signage on the left by the viaduct) and has been for quite some time. They've left the Temporary Speed Restriction (TSR) plate down, perhaps to just reinforce/remind/they've forgotten it??? And, curiosity - when do TSR's become PSR's??? Several factors. Cost is a major one. They'll put a TSR in, leave it there a while, see that it doesn't affect the service too much, and then perhaps change it to a PSR. Its altogether far cheaper than (rectifying the problem the proper way) altering the signalling, for example. As in the case of spad mitigation. Take the case of the 25mph one between Earls Ct and Gloucester Rd EB, that TSR has been there for several years now. So, also, has the 40 TSR at Turnham Green WBF because of the compromised overlap on the advanced starter. There are other reasons, and I'm sure these will be posted up by more learned members than myself ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 11:00:56 GMT
Aha, yeah, its been a while since I looked actually. Last time I looked the sign was in place but covered. Thanks for that! Makes sense Steve
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 15:40:07 GMT
Aha, yeah, its been a while since I looked actually. Last time I looked the sign was in place but covered. Sorry, I must correct myself. Having had a rethink, the signage on the viaduct is, as you said, still covered up, and its actually a 25mph sign, not a 20. Hence why the 20 TSR is still showing on the ground. My mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 2:57:34 GMT
On NR at least it is MANDATORY to sound warning when passing a whistle board. There's always a reason for it being there, even if not obvious. Except at night thanks to the noise abatement society...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 3:29:46 GMT
You can appreciate that after midnight people by a busy rail route might not want whistles going off. I lived for a year with buses going past my window at least every 5 minutes 24/7 and it's terrible. Do you guys have to rely on visual alone for the signals? Is there anything else they can rely on ? Seeing as the DLR runs without drivers most of the time I'm sure the technology is available to put a light in the cab showing the status of the next signal. The unions should show a cab ride and describe the difficulties next time people moan about driver salaries.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 14:15:42 GMT
I believe the TGV in France uses in-cab signalling due to the high speed.
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