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Post by louis on Jun 25, 2008 18:32:42 GMT
Does anyone know how many Trains run on the South Ealing/Northfields Local Lines everyday and are they all the Trains which terminate at Northfields?
Are there any Not in Service trains which us them to get back to the Northfields Depot?
Does anyone have a Timetable files/Websites for the Station showing the number of trains a day on each platform?
Cheers to anyone who can answer these Questions. ;D
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 25, 2008 18:41:08 GMT
I can, have got over 70 years' worth of Piccadilly timetables in the library, but I'm busy packing to go off to the weekend meet. If someone hasn't answered your questions by the time I return, then I will. Otherwise I'd recommend searching for an old WTT on eBay....
However, I'm pretty sure this has been discussed on this board recently - have you tried searching through the Picc board?
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Post by happybunny on Jun 25, 2008 18:46:29 GMT
I do not know how many, sadly on the EB it is very very few, one a day, I understand.
On the WB there is slightly more, mostly Northfields terminators (and usually put straight in the WB Local platform whilst a District waits outside the station and the picc platform sits empty) .. However sometimes (not that often) Heathrow trains go on the local line from Acton to Northfields (and again, usually put straight in the WB Local platform whilst a District waits outside the station and the picc platform sits empty)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2008 2:15:27 GMT
As a regular user I've been on the local EB once, possibly twice in the last twelve years yet probably go on the WB local once every ten days.
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Post by c5 on Jun 28, 2008 7:20:44 GMT
There is one late night (staff train) booked to run on the EB Local.
In the daytime you usually end up with a few over the course of the week, either for staff training, a train running early back from Heathrow laying over for right time or due to operational reasons. The problem with the route is that it is 100% manual!
The WB Local is used all day long for both Northfields and Heathrow trains - far too many to name!.
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Post by louis on Jun 30, 2008 11:25:07 GMT
Does 100% manual mean all the points/signals need to be operated manually.
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Post by Oracle on Jun 30, 2008 12:03:54 GMT
1. I remember when the EB Local was used when the EB Fast was used as a test track, although the WB Fast has also been used. I just loved the clackety-clack of the rails..I assumed in the past that they were jointed rails. Also the tunnel under the branch at Acton Town.
2. The WB Local was used when there was say in the late evening, a drought of Hatton X or Heathrow trains and the punters refused to get off at Northfields where the trains were terminating. This of course used to mean a backlog behind and the Controller would send a HC or Heathrow down the Local to by-pass the queue!
Does the WB>EB Fast #-over ever get used? I have never seen it used myself, just the reversing siding or depot.
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Post by c5 on Jun 30, 2008 12:54:24 GMT
Does 100% manual mean all the points/signals need to be operated manually. Sorry I was far too vague there. The route needs to be manually selected by the service operator (signalman) using the push buttons, the routes via the fast would route automatically via the Programme Machines. This then moves the points and signals on the ground like normal. I didn't mean like a handworked groundframe like at Royal Oak. 2. The WB Local was used when there was say in the late evening, a drought of Hatton X or Heathrow trains and the punters refused to get off at Northfields where the trains were terminating. This of course used to mean a backlog behind and the Controller would send a HC or Heathrow down the Local to by-pass the queue! Does the WB>EB Fast #-over ever get used? I have never seen it used myself, just the reversing siding or depot. Point 2. Yes that's why you tend to put the Northfields on one line and the through train on the other, also the case with why the Mets on the south terminate at Harrow and not Wembley ;D 3. There is one sunday night rusty rail move that reverses WBFL to EBFL and it can be used during the day to reverse late running trains or for trains coming from Northfields depot or siding.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2008 20:01:13 GMT
The WB local line is generally used by the Northfield terminators as mentioned previously but also a few booked moves during the day especially when the Uxbridge line services start at Acton Town pfm 2. Essentially any train bound for Northfields from Acton Town pfm 1 and this could occur at any time in the best interests of the service. The EB local line also can be used when necessary, though the booked passenger trains can be counted on one hand, though the one through train may run along the fast as necessary! Mon - Fri 252 2100 ex Terminal 5 runs via the local line Northfields (pfm 4) to Acton Town (pfm 4) (Boston Manor dep 2121 if you go for it, the announcement on arrival at Acton Town politely told me this wasn't the District line train now in platform 4!) 332 2354 ex Terminal 4 terminates on pfm 4 at Northfields and reverses to the Depot. Sat 334 2354 ex Terminal 4 terminates on pfm 4 at Northfields and reverses to the Depot. Sun 267 2351 ex Terminal 5 terminates on pfm 4 at Northfields and reverses to the Depot.
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Post by railtechnician on Jun 30, 2008 21:01:09 GMT
1. I remember when the EB Local was used when the EB Fast was used as a test track, although the WB Fast has also been used. I just loved the clackety-clack of the rails..I assumed in the past that they were jointed rails. Also the tunnel under the branch at Acton Town. 2. The WB Local was used when there was say in the late evening, a drought of Hatton X or Heathrow trains and the punters refused to get off at Northfields where the trains were terminating. This of course used to mean a backlog behind and the Controller would send a HC or Heathrow down the Local to by-pass the queue! Does the WB>EB Fast #-over ever get used? I have never seen it used myself, just the reversing siding or depot. Well the EB local has been the test track for as long as I can recall. This is why it is not automatically operated. Possession can be taken by arrangement with the controller and the the signalling for that section from Northfields to South Ealing incorporates a possession relay for the purpose which is probably still operated from a keyswitch in the old running office at Northfields unless it has been relocated since I maintained signalling in the area.
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Post by c5 on Jun 30, 2008 22:03:56 GMT
1. I remember when the EB Local was used when the EB Fast was used as a test track, although the WB Fast has also been used. I just loved the clackety-clack of the rails..I assumed in the past that they were jointed rails. Also the tunnel under the branch at Acton Town. 2. The WB Local was used when there was say in the late evening, a drought of Hatton X or Heathrow trains and the punters refused to get off at Northfields where the trains were terminating. This of course used to mean a backlog behind and the Controller would send a HC or Heathrow down the Local to by-pass the queue! Does the WB>EB Fast #-over ever get used? I have never seen it used myself, just the reversing siding or depot. Well the EB local has been the test track for as long as I can recall. This is why it is not automatically operated. Possession can be taken by arrangement with the controller and the the signalling for that section from Northfields to South Ealing incorporates a possession relay for the purpose which is probably still operated from a keyswitch in the old running office at Northfields unless it has been relocated since I maintained signalling in the area. Yup. It's still a keyswitch but is now at the east end of the platform.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 8, 2008 16:02:45 GMT
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=g6IcthwmDC0&feature=relatedThanks SE13! Note there are two trains...it would appear to my feeble brain that the Fast Line train is for Northfields and the Local Line one for Heathrow? I can't imagine that one is for T123 and the other T5.
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Post by Colin on Jul 8, 2008 23:45:38 GMT
I can't imagine that one is for T123 and the other T5. Nor can given that this is clearly pre T5 - infact it's also clearly pre refurbished 73ts, pre yellow lines on the platform, etc...... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Oracle on Jul 9, 2008 7:15:30 GMT
To these poor eyes they look exactly as delivered and in their glory! Cheers Mr Admin!
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Post by c5 on Jul 9, 2008 7:19:06 GMT
I think you are right Oracle (about the one on the fast being a Northfields); those passengers got off and the train on the local left quite fast so the Northfields West Local Home Signal must have been off!
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Post by Oracle on Jul 9, 2008 10:27:30 GMT
I have found a photo of Northfields with trains on both Locals but no videos yet of anything using the EB Local. There is however one on Youtube of a train from S Ealing on the Fast that passes one of those yellow diesel locos on the Local near the old water spray tubes.
I regret that I am too young to remember using the District from Hounslow West and thus the Locals. The run down to Hounslow Central on the D Stock Metroliner tour that used the Locals was therefore a first. I never got to cab Sarah Siddons on the EB Local either, as when I was offered a weekday ride back in August 1979 from S Ealing to Acton the brake block test team were using the EB Fast; the service trains were all sent via the EB Local for some time that week (it was exam week...a commute to Wood Green and thence by bus to Alexandra Palace was undertaken).
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 9, 2008 10:52:12 GMT
I worked on the Picc from 1963-70. We often ran down the local EB and WB in service, particularly during the off peak. They used the two fast roads for testing in those days. One (I think it was the WB fast) had the water sprays on it.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 9, 2008 15:47:03 GMT
The EB Local has the water sprays now. Check this video out and see the loco on the EB Local. Note also the remains of the wartime emergency exit from Northfields. Mum used to use it during the war when she lived in South Ealing rather than S Ealing station. It was an easier walk through the streets. uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YViL3Yg11nU&feature=related
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