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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2008 15:56:09 GMT
Just recently I have seen a few E/B Picadilly line trains using the District Line E/B district platforms at Hammersmith.
Last night, a Pic train arrived in platform 3 (pic) as usual, immediately followed by one in platform 4 (District). The one in the district platform moved off first...
Why does this happen? Is it a signalling mistake or a way to try and unblock the Picadilly line somehow?
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Post by c5 on May 30, 2008 16:05:40 GMT
Just recently I have seen a few E/B Picadilly line trains using the District Line E/B district platforms at Hammersmith. Last night, a Pic train arrived in platform 3 (pic) as usual, immediately followed by one in platform 4 (District). The one in the district platform moved off first... Why does this happen? Is it a signalling mistake or a way to try and unblock the Picadilly line somehow? James A number of reasons 1) Wrong Signal (WL106-rt1) Lowered in error (either due to an incorrect Train Description or a slip of the finger on the signal button  )at Acton Tn EBLL. To save the taking of a release (2 mins), if there are trains behind, the train can accept the signal and then cross over at Hammersmith. 2)Operating problem on the EBFL could mean that with the authority of the District Line Service Controller Level 2, that some trains could be diverted to run via the EBLL. Also, in some cases the District can request an all stations stopping Picc train, if they don't have any of their own! 3) Staff route knowledge. An Instructor Train Operator could request it for their trainee ;D |
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Post by astock5000 on May 30, 2008 17:32:27 GMT
Wouldn't it delay the train - it could get stuck behind a District?
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Post by c5 on May 30, 2008 18:53:54 GMT
Wouldn't it delay the train - it could get stuck behind a District? Most likely. So in that case it would run as booked via the EBFL. If the District line was behind it then there is not really an issue! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2008 8:06:39 GMT
Just recently I have seen a few E/B Picadilly line trains using the District Line E/B district platforms at Hammersmith. Last night, a Pic train arrived in platform 3 (pic) as usual, immediately followed by one in platform 4 (District). The one in the district platform moved off first... Why does this happen? Is it a signalling mistake or a way to try and unblock the Picadilly line somehow? James Sometimes the L/C will request a Picc train to run down the local calling at all stations to help out (as usual  ) the ailing District when they've got problems/gaps in the service. Though more often than not they'll just request certain Picc's running down the EB fast to call just at Turnham and maybe Ravensct Pk too. |
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 2, 2008 18:19:42 GMT
Sometimes the L/C will request a Picc train to run down the local calling at all stations to help out (as usual ) the ailing District when they've got problems/gaps in the service... Or when the District has a train shortage because they've all derailed at Ealing Common depot! |
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Post by ruislip on Jun 5, 2008 20:52:10 GMT
Are there still timetabled Piccadilly services at the extreme ends of the day that call at the "local" stations between Acton Town and Hammersmith? Do some of these originate at West Kensington on the Westbound, as they did in the 60s and 70s, and even before those decades?
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Post by Ben on Jun 5, 2008 21:08:40 GMT
Ive got a timetable from 1990 that has the west Ken piccs in it. Not nowadays though, atleast not in pax.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2008 21:09:33 GMT
Are there still timetabled Piccadilly services at the extreme ends of the day that call at the "local" stations between Acton Town and Hammersmith? Do some of these originate at West Kensington on the Westbound, as they did in the 60s and 70s, and even before those decades? No. The last timetabled ones to call all stations down the local stopped in 1996 (these didn't originate at West Ken though). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2008 21:34:42 GMT
Ive got a timetable from 1990 that has the west Ken piccs in it. Not nowadays though, atleast not in pax. Wow. Didn't realise they they went to West Ken as recently as that. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 5, 2008 21:37:59 GMT
Yes, stopped with WTT 31 (29/9/96); trains with the appropriate bit of the LL note originated at Cockfosters, South Harrow and T123 in the WTT preceding.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2008 22:17:22 GMT
Yes, stopped with WTT 31 (29/9/96); trains with the appropriate bit of the LL note originated at Cockfosters, South Harrow and T123 in the WTT preceding. Yes, LL signified running down the local, but I'm sure there was no Picc connection with West Ken in 1996. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 5, 2008 23:44:01 GMT
Indeed, if there were West Ken originators in that WTT I'd have enumerated them.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2008 23:56:23 GMT
Indeed, if there were West Ken originators in that WTT I'd have enumerated them. Sorry, I thought your post #10 read like prior to 29/9/96 there was a Picc link with west ken. |
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Post by danielfigfoz on Jun 9, 2008 19:35:32 GMT
But the Picadilly Line does stop at all the "local staitons" between Acton Town and Hammersimth, very early and very late even though the maps show that they only stop at Turnham Green, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2008 20:21:23 GMT
No, just Turnham Green, although it was last week due to the District UXB difficulties!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2008 22:05:03 GMT
Of course Picc trains physically can't call at Chiswick Park or Stamford Brook (EB) unless they use the local line.
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Post by danielfigfoz on Jun 9, 2008 22:46:20 GMT
Strange I seem to remember calling at all of them once...
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Post by c5 on Jun 9, 2008 23:37:32 GMT
They can call at all stations on request of both service controllers. This happened a few times last week because of the district not being very good!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2008 14:08:27 GMT
There used to be a very early Piccadilly Train that run from Northfields eastbound fast the do a PN move Eastbound fast to Local WL97 route 1 run to West Kensington reverse and stops all stations west bound local to Acton Town this was the first train to run if a Signaler cleared the wrong signal and Train Driver took it there was about a 40 minute delay. Also on Sundays trains were book to run both locals between hammersmith and acton town
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 3, 2008 18:00:18 GMT
The West Kensington reverser is now a District train and Piccadilly's are not booked to run local on Sundays anymore.
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Post by londonstuff on Sept 3, 2008 20:24:01 GMT
How quickly/easily can a request to stop locally at Turnham Green or Ravenscourt Pk be put in - I've waited 25 mins at Turnham Green before now while literally 30 Piccs have gone past - would someone at the station get in contact with a line controller? Is getting the Piccs to stop seen as a big deal, i.e not a decision taken lightly, or is it fairly easy going?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2008 22:53:48 GMT
How quickly/easily can a request to stop locally at Turnham Green or Ravenscourt Pk be put in - I've waited 25 mins at Turnham Green before now while literally 30 Piccs have gone past - would someone at the station get in contact with a line controller? Is getting the Piccs to stop seen as a big deal, i.e not a decision taken lightly, or is it fairly easy going? It's not a huge deal getting the odd Picc to stop at Turnham or Ravenscourt. The odd Picc stopping shouldn't cause any significant delay to the rest of the service. Its just a question of if someone (district controller/stn staff) has noticed the 'gap' in the district service at that moment. The request will usually be made by the District service controller to the Picc service controller when he/she either becomes aware of an actual/impending gap in the service, or if notified by stn supervisor that there hasn't been a train for some time, as indicated by the large number of 'customers' on their platform. If you've waited for 25 mins, someone has simply taken their eye off the ball. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2008 6:13:54 GMT
And of course now the District and Picc controllers are not sitting next to each other anymore communication between the two becomes that bit harder!
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Post by DWS on Sept 4, 2008 19:37:25 GMT
And of course now the District and Picc controllers are not sitting next to each other anymore communication between the two becomes that bit harder! DOC What you mean they have to use the phone, rather that shout at one another ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2008 19:47:17 GMT
And of course now the District and Picc controllers are not sitting next to each other anymore communication between the two becomes that bit harder! DOC What you mean they have to use the phone, rather that shout at one another ;D They have to use the phone to shout at one another - I don't think TfL management are in the business of depriving Picc Controllers of one of their favourite past times just yet! |
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Post by upfast on Sept 4, 2008 23:19:21 GMT
And of course now the District and Picc controllers are not sitting next to each other anymore communication between the two becomes that bit harder! DOC What you mean they have to use the phone, rather that shout at one another ;D They don't even have the benefit of a spexi (direct) line! It is fairly simple to run one all stations on the eastbound local when there are District problems as the ex Rayners Lane trains tend to arrive about 5 minutes early! To get the Piccadilly line to make additional stops (where possible) on the Fast lines the station staff can contact the Piccadilly controller. |
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)at Acton Tn EBLL. To save the taking of a release (2 mins), if there are trains behind, the train can accept the signal and then cross over at Hammersmith.
