Alcohol Ban for Passengers

Half people i see drinking on the tube ect are nomally fine you have odd one who dose cause problem but generally they all good. onless im missing something when im on tube? Which is not Hard

And who do they expect to enforce this, the CSA's...

NB: I mean this in a nice way, as in; Why should CSA's put themselves at risk to stop people.

Thats a very good point actually. If you buy something from a licenced train bar (ie bottle, can) and start drinking it but havent finished by the time you need to change to the underground it seems unfair to make one ditch it. Theres a clash there.

And what about new years...one always sees empty bottles of champaign on trains.

Its a nice idea, but once again responsible people are being tarred with the same brush as the morons. Surely the issue is far too complex to warrent such a blanket?

Right, so... we'll see sneaky people exchanging the fluid in a bottle of cola with something else! It just won't work and is just another issue to cause friction between tipsy punters and innocent staff.

It just will not work!

A Few years back when I was rostered @ Euston we used to stop people entering the system with Pint or 1/2 Pint glasses but we would never stop anyone with Cans or Bottles.

I Dont know why we were told to stop people with Glasses it was just one of the things that had been done there for years and just carried on.

Did anyone else used to have the same sort of rule at their station?

Summed it up perfectly. It's a placatory gesture to the suburban middle-classes who never have to use the tube to make it look like he's doing something. The fact that drinking on the tube has never been mentioned as a problem before is neither here nor there. It hasn't been negotiated with the unions, staff haven't been briefed etc.

Just how does he think it's going to be enforced? Does Boris really think i'll be getting out the safety of my cab to tell a gang of coked-up aggressive young lads off for a night on the town to stop drinking their blue WKD? Not only that - if we were to enforce it the trains would never move because we'd forever be going back to stop people who we saw drinking on the platform - the station staff would all be off sick or trembling in their GLAPs after getting assaulted. The police have (well at least they should have) bigger fish to fry, and it would be a total waste of their resources when there's real crime to tackle.

On the Circle Line you see people getting on with beers at all times of the day. You regularly change ends at 0600 and find empty cans and bottles.

As someone said above - I too would very much like to see Boris personally trying to enforce this on the Hammer branch during Carnival! Or as Bob Crow succinctly put it, asking a train load of Liverpool supporters to kindly refrain... Madness.

Still far too many - not helped by the removal of all no smoking signs other than at station entrances. I spose we should grateful they haven't been removed from the trains yet...

IMHO the ban is respected in pubs (certainly in the one's I frequent) - but it's still not respected on LUL despite it being banned for far longer.

In terms of LU, I presume that such a ban would be located within the Byelaws? Assuming that's the case, as I've already shown, it is already there and is nothing new. Whilst staff obviously can't uphold the law in the same way as a Police officer, we're still expected to act in the spirit of the Byelaws - much like anyone else is in relation to any legislation that may affect them.

IMHO the ban is respected in pubs (certainly in the one's I frequent) - but it's still not respected on LUL despite it being banned for far longer.

People would smoke in pubs too if a) most of the premises were felt to be unsupervised with no visible/proactive staff and b) if the landlord wasn't a risk of being fined or having the establishment closed down (which certainly doesn't apply to the local GSM!).

Clearly being stuck out at the end of the line means we have less smokers; in over a year of CSA duties I only recall seeing someone smoking once, at Oakwood, which is open section, and the person apparently simply assumed it wasn't banned due to it being open air. He put it out with no argument when I asked him to.

And the Service Controller or Service Manager will issue a direct instruction via recorded radio for the train to continue "until police can meet it" (by which time those concerned will have disappeared and/or finished drinking) thus making LU staff looking like powerless twats. Been there, done that, with smokers and buskers on trains years ago....

When we had "smoking" cars you could difuse a situation by asking a smoker to move to that car, not extinguish his cigarette altogether. It was a compromise and no one had to fully back down and lose face. Now it's all or nothing and with the sort of idiotic obsession with "respect" (sic) and being "dissed" prevelant in today's society god help anyone trying to enforce this.

The BTP announced they were clamping down on people putting feet on seats a few months' ago. Anyone seen any evidence of this and of whether it is working? (And unlike Boris' new initiative, TFL weren't producing new posters in conjunction with this at 3 days' notice.)

Few weeks ago at West Ham waiting on the platform for a District train a young girl about 15-16 lit up a fag. Three BTP officers came onto the platform, saw the girl smoking and walked over to the opposite of the platform (one walked through the smoke) and walked off.

If this is happening what chance is there to stop people drinking?

You often get that sort of attitude from people who ought to be enforcing the rules.

Back in Doncaster, First bus drivers would claim it's not their job to stop people smoking, and stinking out the entire bus for the rest of us (not that it helped that most of them joined in). By contrast, drivers of decent companies have always stopped the bus and thrown the offenders off.

No chance (THROWING off)- recipe for assault. Way to do is to stop bus and ASK culprit to stop smoking/get off. If refused, stop engine, say you're being paid till 8pm (true or not) and apologize to other customers for delay. Embarrassment (other passengers' stares/comments) normally works best.

And the bus behind can overtake, but that's not gonna happen on the Bakerloo Line is it? As I've said before, the T/Op will receive a direct instruction from the Service Manager (not the Service Controller - he or she is no longer classed an Operational Manager post-Service Control Agreement) by recorded train radio to continue. If the driver refuses that instruction, on his or her head be it... It's not that I agree with this lack of back-up, indeed I'm not directly involved in the process, but that's the way it'll go.