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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 31, 2006 23:37:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 2:13:51 GMT
Saw this earlier. I hope they really aren't going to be like the 376's, and are just going to be modelled on them. Horrible things they are! I think they should be like Southerns 377's, but built for peak services instead of long journeys! E.G. Remove tables for more standing room and forward facing seats!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 6:41:25 GMT
Saw this earlier. I hope they really aren't going to be like the 376's, and are just going to be modelled on them. Horrible things they are! They will be based on the 376, which is an inner suburban stock, and thus suited for the use. Not singling you out, if you don't like something, can you try and justify your answer rather than just saying they are horrible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 6:50:57 GMT
I think they should be like Southerns 377's, but built for peak services instead of long journeys! E.G. Remove tables for more standing room and forward facing seats! What, you mean make a train a bit like the 376? I beleive they will be very very similar to the 376s
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 7:47:13 GMT
have spoken to my mate at bombbardier he says they will be about 95% the same as other 376's but will have a couple of minor changes to them possibly he would not comfirm but the changes will be just uinside the door ways to creat nmore standing spaces. hope this helps you out
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 8:48:38 GMT
Although I feel a bit sad losing an Underground line to the train network, aesthetically I like these trains. I wonder what the inside is going to look like...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 8:52:51 GMT
South Eastern use 376s on some suburban routes. Fortunately I live far enough out of London to vary rarely use them.
They're horrible because the seats are too hard, too upright and too few. They have no toilets and no airconditioning.
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Post by Colin on Sept 1, 2006 9:03:21 GMT
Hmmm.............electric trains on the Barking to Gospel Oak line? Something amiss there me thinks ;D
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 1, 2006 9:08:24 GMT
Hmmm.............electric trains on the Barking to Gospel Oak line? Something amiss there me thinks ;D They are for the Richmond/Clapham-Stratford/North Woolwich service. Class 150s do the GOB.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Sept 1, 2006 9:19:20 GMT
Although I feel a bit sad losing an Underground line to the train network Look at the ELL from a historical perspective. Until nationalisation, the East London was part of the national network and owned by the Southern Railway from the 1920s. The Met only managed it for a spell and had running powers before that and the District only had running powers. So, taking that into account, the line was only on loan to the Underground and now it's time to give it back. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 9:31:18 GMT
So, taking that into account, the line was only on loan to the Underground and now it's time to give it back. ;D I'm not sure the staff will see it like that!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 10:16:19 GMT
With regards to the GoBLin, I read some rumours that TfL might be able to find some money to convince NR to wire it. Personally I think it ought to be wired anyway, as it then allows for through electric freight workings from Tilbury and Deganham to Willesden and onto the WCML, which can only be useful, if only to avoid shuffling locos.
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Post by mandgc on Sept 1, 2006 10:43:20 GMT
"Giving Back the East London" (Reply #9)
The Line was hardly 'on loan' to the Underground. It was Leased from the original owner and, later, the Southern Railway by a Joint Commitee of five Companies (later three, the Underground owning a 2/5th share) Through Met and District trains ran from 1884 to 1906 and Met trains after electrification in 1913.
The line was wholly transferred to the LT Executive by the BTC after Nationalisation for a period of 56 years.
'Mere' Running Powers (granted by Parliament) over a Foreign line applied to Underground trains to Upminster Wimbledon, Richmond, Ealing & Shepherds Bush and Westbourne Park !
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Post by agoodcuppa on Sept 1, 2006 10:54:39 GMT
So, taking that into account, the line was only on loan to the Underground and now it's time to give it back. ;D I'm not sure the staff will see it like that! I expect you're right, hence I put it into a historical context and made sure there was a smilie. Few people like change, some might like the end result depending what they're being offered whilst there will always be the whingers.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Sept 1, 2006 10:56:59 GMT
The Line was hardly 'on loan' to the Underground. Someone else who failed to notice the smilie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 11:36:53 GMT
Yes, I know it used to be a mainline service. Apart from that horrible stock, every other aspect shows it was originally mainline. Still, personally (!), I think history is never a good excuse ;D. If you look at the here and now it is a genuine urban service. It's entire route is within zone 2 (it even touches zone 1) and even after extension the whole route will be within zone 2. It's not getting people from the Stockbroker Belt into the City, it's getting people from Whitechapel to Canada Water. If you ask me, it's location makes it perfect for becoming some sort of outer Circle Line with a typical metro-style service. High density stops, high frequency, big doors and lots of place to stand instead of seats taking up valuable space. The people in the south are losing a tube line, instead of gaining one.
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Post by greatplum on Sept 7, 2006 9:23:15 GMT
I read in one of those new evening rags that the trains would have seating against the side like underground trains and showed a pic...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2006 9:27:49 GMT
Will two set of doors per car side be enough for a metro style service? I would have thought that three would be better in terms of passenger flow and keeping dwell times down. Maybe TfL are trying to keep costs down by buying an existing train design?
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 7, 2006 10:47:37 GMT
I think I have seen the picture you are talking of. There seems to be a lot of standing/circulating space, essential on the NLL, even off-peak! I remember years ago, when I went to school, I sometimes used the NLL, and due to the overcrowding, the conductor allowed about 10 people into the rear cab, does this still happen? I am assuming the new trains will not be DOO?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2006 10:55:53 GMT
isnt this new train linked in with that new london overground system? it was on the news yesterday wernt it
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 7, 2006 11:32:12 GMT
Indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2006 11:34:54 GMT
o right thanks, sorry im kinda new, you see i wasnt really into trains until i met my ex and now i like them. despite my dad is a station superviser
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 7, 2006 11:43:03 GMT
No need for apologies!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2006 12:00:42 GMT
lol kind of bizarre really. but i was quite pleased with myself because i was watching the news when they were talking about it and a station cam on the tv and i immediatly new it was whitechapel.
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Post by greatplum on Sept 7, 2006 14:22:38 GMT
Sorry Tubeboy - what's DOO?
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 7, 2006 15:03:56 GMT
Sorry mate. Driver only operation. Currently the NLL [North London line] is worked by the Class 313s, and crewed by a driver and a conductor.
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Post by Colin on Sept 8, 2006 0:50:50 GMT
I remember years ago, when I went to school, I sometimes used the NLL, and due to the overcrowding, the conductor allowed about 10 people into the rear cab, does this still happen? I certainly haven't seen that happen on the Richmond to Gunnersbury section. I would imagine that in this day & age, a guard doing that will probably end up seeking employment elsewhere. I am assuming the new trains will not be DOO? I can't see the East London line in it's new form introducing guards - that would be seen as a backwards step by boss's and wouldn't please the bean counters. I can forsee guards being lost on the North London line and all new trains being built without guards even considered.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2006 8:33:48 GMT
Sorry mate. Driver only operation. Currently the NLL [North London line] is worked by the Class 313s, and crewed by a driver and a conductor. That's shocking mate. They're GUARDS! *walks away in disbelief...* Sam ;D
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 9, 2006 15:05:09 GMT
As for DOO you are probably right Colin. As for the travelling in the rear cab, I am sure officially, it was frowned upon, it seemed to be a general practice though. Bring back 117s on the GOB!
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