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Post by londonstuff on Mar 20, 2008 18:24:02 GMT
I was at South Ken this morning (so early the Picc trains were still stopping at Turnham Green!) and waiting for a train. The exit passageway leading to the escalators on the Westbound platform has two long, wide metal mesh-type fence/gates that has some space behind it. When peering into the dark, I could just make out some stairs going down - anyone know where these go?
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Post by edwin on Mar 20, 2008 23:33:57 GMT
It leads to the disused lift shafts, South Kensington used lifts until it was rebuilt for escalators in the seventies. IMO they should be reinstated for step-free access, as they lead directly to both platform levels and directly to the old disused ticket hall, which should be opened again!
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Post by Ben on Mar 21, 2008 0:37:48 GMT
It would be ideal, if the escalator shafts didnt cut through the lift shafts Something about forward planning... *-)
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Post by railtechnician on Mar 21, 2008 10:56:34 GMT
It would be ideal, if the escalator shafts didnt cut through the lift shafts Something about forward planning... *-) I doubt anyone ever envisaged reusing lift shafts for their original purpose. Consider what fills most lift LU shafts these days, e.g. substations, sumps, pump rooms, comms equipment rooms, station operations rooms, offices, switchrooms, storage etc. I can't think of many sites where the disused lift shafts weren't used for something at one time or another. I wonder just how many passengers realise they are walking across a lift shaft at Moorgate, Oxford Circus or Tottenham Couirt Road for instance when entering or exiting a station or walking within inches of one at Finsbury Park, Earl's Court, Leicester Square, Baker Street, Liverpool Street, Camden Town etc. The top of the South Kensington lift shafts at street level is where we used to have a comms equipment stores 20 years ago and the top of the shafts at Tottenham Court Road was once used to store cable, that at Chalk Farm to store signal equipment in the 1970s and of course the old Strowger telephone exchanges were built in the shafts at Leicester Square, Baker Street, Earl's Court and Finsbury Park. I think in my career I entered or worked in most of the disused shafts on the system including those that most passengers wouldn't have a clue ever existed as they are so far from the platforms such as at Euston, Green Park, Hyde Park Corner and such other places as Down Street and the disused Oxford Circus station building. I think Trafalgar Square is another place where the escalators cut through the old lift shafts, the extant lower portions housing a sump in one and a pump room in the other.
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Post by edwin on Mar 21, 2008 16:21:35 GMT
It would be ideal, if the escalator shafts didnt cut through the lift shafts Something about forward planning... *-) I'm getting my information from Doug Rose's 'tiles of the unexpected' book, which shows a station diagram for every Yerkes station. At South Kensington it shows that the lifts are unobstructed, the escalator shaft being slightly south of them... Either the book is wrong or you are!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2008 6:00:15 GMT
It would be ideal, if the escalator shafts didnt cut through the lift shafts Something about forward planning... *-) I'm getting my information from Doug Rose's 'tiles of the unexpected' book, which shows a station diagram for every Yerkes station. At South Kensington it shows that the lifts are unobstructed, the escalator shaft being slightly south of them... Either the book is wrong or you are! I doubt that the escalators cut across the lift shafts, as that would have meant that South Ken was closed for the time it took to build the escalators.
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Post by Ben on Mar 22, 2008 7:48:45 GMT
Its probable then that I'm thinking of another station. Sorry about that! :$
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2008 12:42:47 GMT
You may be thinking of Strand (CCE&HR) - the escalator shaft there does cut across the original lift shafts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2008 13:09:49 GMT
You may be thinking of Strand (CCE&HR) - the escalator shaft there does cut across the original lift shafts. So did they have to close that station during the works? Surely they didn't rely on the spiral staircase!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2008 14:50:46 GMT
Yep - the station was closed for nearly six years (November 1973 to September? 1979, IIRC).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2008 0:28:39 GMT
I thought it was reopened in May 1979 as Charing cross when the Jubilee opened.
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Post by cetacean on Mar 24, 2008 19:32:03 GMT
I'm getting my information from Doug Rose's 'tiles of the unexpected' book, which shows a station diagram for every Yerkes station. At South Kensington it shows that the lifts are unobstructed, the escalator shaft being slightly south of them... Either the book is wrong or you are! Are you sure you mean south? That would put the lift shafts in the middle of the District Line tracks. I can imagine the upper escalator might come out in the ticket hall slightly to the north of the top end of the lift shaft, but I can't see how south would work.
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Post by stanmorek on Mar 24, 2008 22:09:20 GMT
The lift shafts are still intact but they only serve the Piccadilly. They are located where the old demolished platform was on the Pelham Street side was. New lift shafts will be needed for the subsurface platform. LU already have an air rights scheme for a third party overstation development which includes new lift access to all platforms.
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