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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2008 1:48:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2008 2:01:30 GMT
No. All trains taking the direct route from Hatton Cross to T123 are tipped-out at T123 plat.1 and run from T123 to T5 and back empty for driver-training purposes only. There are no passengers allowed on these trains.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2008 5:40:22 GMT
The trial runs, running from T123 to T5, have already been done by us (HEx staff) back in December. The general public then did a few scenarios in the station.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2008 7:19:42 GMT
The trial runs, running from T123 to T5, have already been done by us (HEx staff) back in December. The general public then did a few scenarios in the station. OK great - thanks for letting me know.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 10, 2008 15:04:46 GMT
I see that the platform dot-matrix at Earl's Court have been reprogrammed to show:
HEATHROW Terminal 4 HEATHROW Terminals 1,2,3 & 5
as separate destinations.
Have others been so amended? Barons Court and Acton WB still just show the one- HEATHROW.
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Post by happybunny on Mar 10, 2008 15:07:23 GMT
I also noticed the DMI at ECT WB showed HEATHROW terminal4 the other day for the train I joined. I think they should scrap those light boxes at Acton and put in DMI's to avoid confusion when T5 opens. Also one of those CIS systems which announces train departures like they have on the Jubilee line would be a good idea
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Post by Tomcakes on Mar 10, 2008 16:38:10 GMT
No! We have enough announcements shoved down our throat anyway!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 19:45:48 GMT
I see that the platform dot-matrix at Earl's Court have been reprogrammed to show: HEATHROW Terminal 4HEATHROW Terminals 1,2,3 & 5as separate destinations. Have others been so amended? Barons Court and Acton WB still just show the one- HEATHROW. South Kensington and Gloucester Road have.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 19:55:25 GMT
Showing just 'Heathrow' isn't a huge issue as the trains' onboard announcements will make everything clear. Passengers would probably be advised to take the first train and change closer to Heathrow so that they have more chance of getting a train and don't clog up central area platforms.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 20:44:24 GMT
I see that the platform dot-matrix at Earl's Court have been reprogrammed to show: HEATHROW Terminal 4HEATHROW Terminals 1,2,3 & 5as separate destinations. Have others been so amended? Barons Court and Acton WB still just show the one- HEATHROW. Pretty much the whole line has been altered now. The strange thing is the info in our T5 pamphlet states that trains will show either Heathrow 4 & 123 or Heathrow 123 & 5. Unless of course they have changed their minds. As an aside a unit I had the other day had an updated DVA. At stations with platform gaps it plays "mind the gap etc.." before stating the station name. It should also say that the next station is Hammersmith/Acton Town accordingly when at the other station, if you see what I mean. I couldn't check this because of the shutdown on Sunday.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 11, 2008 0:22:31 GMT
Passengers would probably be advised to take the first train and change closer to Heathrow so that they have more chance of getting a train and don't clog up central area platforms. I believe that passengers are advised to change at Hounslow West.
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Post by Tomcakes on Mar 11, 2008 0:31:56 GMT
@upinthesky, is that a replacement for the driver announcing "This train is now express to Hammersmith, anyone for (Ravenscourt Park | Stamford Brook | Turnham Green | Chiswick Park) you need a District from the other platform"?
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Post by c5 on Mar 11, 2008 2:55:50 GMT
How long do forum members think it will be until one train has to serve all three Heathrow stations!?
I reckon 3 April !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 6:54:31 GMT
Passengers would probably be advised to take the first train and change closer to Heathrow so that they have more chance of getting a train and don't clog up central area platforms. I believe that passengers are advised to change at Hounslow West. I'd rather change at the rather spacious and sheltered Hatton Cross...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 7:34:39 GMT
How long do forum members think it will be until one train has to serve all three Heathrow stations!? I reckon 3 April ! Do you meant Hatton X-T4-T123-T5-T123-HattonX. Whilst technically possible (I think depending on new track layout), it would require the train to be double ended, or driver stepping back at H123, which would require extra staff. It would also require more trains than the planned operations. Passengers boarding at T4 would have to change at T123. It be interesting to see what happens operationally in the future with the current (and very odd) track layout at Heathrow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 10:10:57 GMT
I believe that passengers are advised to change at Hounslow West. I'd rather change at the rather spacious and sheltered Hatton Cross... There are/were 2 reasons forthcoming from management for advising passengers to change at Hounslow West: •Firstly, it gives passengers a second chance to change (at Hatton X) should they have missed the announcements at Hounslow West. •Secondly, the platform at Hounslow West is bigger (apparently), thus providing increased waiting passenger (oh yes dear passenger, you will sometimes have a wait there....believe me) capacity.
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Post by c5 on Mar 11, 2008 11:34:19 GMT
But if you got off at Hatton Cross you could travel on the free bus services to Terminal 4, rather than waiting sometimes 20, 30 mins or more for a train!.
Stephen I was indeed talking about HX-T4-T123-T5-T123-HX can see it happening when there hasnt been a T4 train for a long time and one must go to T5!
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Post by Oracle on Mar 11, 2008 12:28:47 GMT
Does Hounslow West WB have an indicator these days to show which destination the next train is headed for?
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Post by ghostofjk on Mar 11, 2008 12:55:58 GMT
•Secondly, the platform at Hounslow West is bigger (apparently), thus providing increased waiting passenger (oh yes dear passenger, you will sometimes have a wait there....believe me) capacity. I take this route into work maybe four days out of five (edit: heading for T123), and always check on the indicator at Hatton Cross how far behind the next train is before getting off to change. If it's more than four minutes, I'll stay on and go via T4 (experience of trying the various combinations of staying on and getting off at various times suggests this is the point beyond which there's no gain from changing, despite the longer journey time). When the new arrangements came in I found the announcements weren't plentiful (ended up at T4 more often than I planned!), but the info is very good now - the train this morning had a separate sign saying "123 direct" in the window. Defeats the point of digital displays a little perhaps, but at least we know what's going on!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2008 18:34:21 GMT
But if you got off at Hatton Cross you could travel on the free bus services to Terminal 4, rather than waiting sometimes 20, 30 mins or more for a train!. Stephen I was indeed talking about HX-T4-T123-T5-T123-HX can see it happening when there hasnt been a T4 train for a long time and one must go to T5! I would be very surprised if such a situation was allowed to arise. If needed a Northfields train would be extended through to the airport (as has happened a few times since Jan 13) and then be short tripped at Acton on the east. There is a also a lot of recovery time built into the timetable - 15 minutes at T5 and 8 at T4. The line has been running fairly well since the timetable change and apart from the days when there has been major disruption all of my trains have run as booked.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2008 18:36:32 GMT
•Secondly, the platform at Hounslow West is bigger (apparently), thus providing increased waiting passenger (oh yes dear passenger, you will sometimes have a wait there....believe me) capacity. I take this route into work maybe four days out of five (edit: heading for T123), and always check on the indicator at Hatton Cross how far behind the next train is before getting off to change. If it's more than four minutes, I'll stay on and go via T4 (experience of trying the various combinations of staying on and getting off at various times suggests this is the point beyond which there's no gain from changing, despite the longer journey time). When the new arrangements came in I found the announcements weren't plentiful (ended up at T4 more often than I planned!), but the info is very good now - the train this morning had a separate sign saying "123 direct" in the window. Defeats the point of digital displays a little perhaps, but at least we know what's going on! Those cards will be redundant on the 27th as the DVA and train indicators will be programmed accordingly.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 22, 2008 13:32:49 GMT
I see that the platform dot-matrix at Earl's Court have been reprogrammed to show: HEATHROW Terminal 4HEATHROW Terminals 1,2,3 & 5as separate destinations. Have others been so amended? Barons Court and Acton WB still just show the one- HEATHROW. I see that since my earlier post the describers at Earl's Court have been further amended to show, (as suggested above): HEATHROW Terminals 4 & 1,2,3HEATHROW Terminals 1,2,3 & 5
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