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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 17:56:34 GMT
So the Picc is now running to T5 (though passenger-less from T123) for, amongst other reasons, driver training purposes.
When are Heathrow Express going to start their training runs down there? Been down there a good few times now and have not seen sight nor sound of a HEX train in their platforms. Also, the Picc platforms are 5 and 6. Does that mean HEX have 4 platforms then?
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Post by Oracle on Jan 15, 2008 18:02:11 GMT
HEXpect to see more trains, in from say the Windsor Lines at Feltham, in the future it has been suggested. ;D That's something that has been mooted for over 40 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 18:14:26 GMT
Sorry Oracle, you've lost me there. I'm talking about HEx training runs.....dunno what you're on about. Like the HExpect thing though
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 18:38:16 GMT
HEx have two platforms (3+4) the same as LU, and the other two are on reserve for crossrail or whatever other airport link is made up next. Our trains (Class 332's) wont be running down there until at least February, partly because the station is not completely finished, and partly because we (the front-line staff) have yet to do our section 12 down there, and the station can obviously not be run without us. The Connect trains (Class 360's) will be late January/early February, however, due to a shortage of drivers, our current ones are being asked to do it as over-time in the early hours, in their own time, which as you can imagine, isn't appealing to a lot of people. Not only that, but because there will NEED to be a train running to T4 from Heathrow Central every 15 mins, its becoming very complicated as to how it will actually work, as the HEx to Paddington/T5 will only be left with a maximum of 2 mins dwell time (currently 4), which is no-where near enough! That said, everything is pushing forward and we will be running a service to T5 on its opening, hopefully with her majesty on-board.
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Post by Oracle on Jan 15, 2008 18:43:39 GMT
I gather that the station was constructed in anticipation of having new services and having just checked up, here are the details from Wikipaedia: AirTrack is a proposed new UK rail link from Staines railway station to Heathrow Airport's Terminal 5 (T5). It will be built on the disused southern portion of the former West Drayton to Staines railway line.
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AirTrack (Proposed) Staines High Street (Proposed) All Heathrow stations have step-free access The T5 Rail Station also has two safeguarded "heavy rail" platforms for use by a west-facing connection to the National Rail network, which would be utilised by Airtrack.
The proposals for the AirTrack link would see a new station, to be called Staines High Street railway station, being built between the existing Staines and Wraysbury railway stations near to the site of the former station of the same name.
airtrack.org/what_is_airtrack.htmSorry, the new proposed link is from Staines, using the alignment of the old Staines West branch that was severed by the M25 works. I was on the last 'farewell' tour down the branch and it had been discussed at the time about the possibility of using the southern portion to access Heathrow. My interest was because I did considerable research at the time and wrote about the T4 and possible T5 links for UNDERGROUND NEWS. That brought me into contact with decision-makers whose confidences I still respect after all this time. However, I also found out about various other proposals over the years. The proposal for a line from Feltham predated the Underground extension by say five years at least, and prior to that even a monorail from Feltham was suggested.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 19:09:09 GMT
Wasn't the preferred opition to Heathrow via BR Staines idea but LT managed to get Picc there instead?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 21:54:49 GMT
Thanks for that detailed description Dave. Appreciated.
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Post by Oracle on Jan 15, 2008 22:00:10 GMT
Wasn't the preferred option to Heathrow via BR Staines idea but LT managed to get Picc there instead? Yes it was, to be blunt. It made a whole lot more sense economically and ergonomically. The suggestion was for a branch line just west of the crossing in Bedfont Lane, where interestingly there had been a wartime War Department 'branch' that curved round to the south and went across the High Street into the Royal Army Service Corps base. The old points and a level crossing were still there until the mid-1960s. Anyhow, the line was to then cross I suppose round the back of the properties over then gravel pits, etc. and presumably through Bedfont into the area now occupied by T4. The later suggestion of the Underground extension was very much seen publicly as a secondary proposal; not very serious and not very attractive. The journey would take too long it was suggested...!!! As is known as from 1st January 1970 the GLC [ Greater London Council]* took over from the State-owned London Transport Executive, and then things changed dramatically. Stops had been introduced at Feltham and the old coal yard became a bus station. The Railair link enabled SR passengers to go by dedicated link to Heathrow. The GLC then pressed ahead with the Picc extension, and the rest is history. However, there were also proposals to provide a link from West Drayton down the still-extant Staines West branch, with a line coming off south of Colnbrook I think, to Heathrow. The M25 of course gobbled-up part of the line south of Colnbrook, and the link roads around the M4/25 junction only enabled a single-track line to run through. When the line was severed a link, using an alignment of a wartime link, was built from the Windsor branch to enable oil trains to access Staines West oil terminal. The trackbed still exists it seems north of the old link site up to the Motorway. Of course when T4 was being planned discussions then took place about rail links: the SR branch was mooted again, as well as a loop off the Picc at Hatton Cross. In the end because of delays, which I will not discuss publicly, the alignment of the T4 loop had to be altered which required another, additional, authorising Act of Parliament, and the station box which was reserved by BAA in the terminal building had to be let go and the next-best offer of a station under the car park had to be accepted. There was of course a prospective station site built on the loop for T5 which was in the end in the wrong position. As is known, just as the T4 loop was being constructed, the T5 discussions started and the question of a Picc extension to it and how it would fit in with the T4 loop had to be discussed and answered. It will indeed be interesting to see if the branch off the Windsor Lines ever does get built. I know it was discussed around the formation of Greater London in 1965 but it might have been suggested as far back as 1955 though I am just speculating. The Perry Bar sewage works which T5 was built over, was suggested as a site for a possible terminal at London Airport by then and a rail link woud have been very feasible. It is perhaps something that I can delve into in the future. Against all this history, I am very pleased to see that reservations have been made this time at T5 for a future possible link. * I am not too sure what part politics played at the time. The Conservatives were in power at the take-over (whilst Labour under Harold Wilson were still in Westminster, until Ted Heath won the 1970 General Election. From Wikipaedia: When the Conservatives lost control of the GLC in 1973 and Sir Desmond Plummer resigned as their Leader in 1974, [Sir Horace] Cutler was chosen as his successor. He was a populist and a showman who delighted in stunts, and when he won the 1977 GLC elections he became a very flamboyant Leader. He was sceptical of the merits of the GLC, seeing it as "too big, too remote and too shadowy", and set up an inquiry under Sir Frank Marshall into its powers and existence; Marshall found enough to justify the continuation of the GLC.
Cutler wanted to extend the Jubilee Line into Docklands but was refused the money by the Labour Government. Investment on the London Underground was not substantial and decisions taken during his period of office have been much criticised subsequently for leading to poor infrastructure in the long term. Cutler was also noted for meddling in detailed Underground management, which London Transport Chairman Sir Peter Masefield had to persuade him to stop. He also made a failed bid to host the Olympic Games of 1988.
In the 1981 GLC elections, Cutler made a great deal of the fact that Andrew McIntosh was likely to be deposed by the much more left-wing Ken Livingstone if the Labour Party won. He concentrated on attacking Livingstone during the campaign, saying that he wished to establish a Marxist power-base in London. Nevertheless, Labour won, and McIntosh was duly voted out by Livingstone. Cutler gave up the Conservative Leadership in 1982, and left politics when the GLC was abolished in 1986. ... Ken Livingstone in fact took over as Leader immediately after the spring 1981 GLC elections that Labour won.
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