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Post by astock5000 on Mar 10, 2008 17:38:16 GMT
How many C Stock trains run in service in the peaks?
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Post by c5 on Mar 10, 2008 18:20:35 GMT
30 on the C&H and 10 in the District
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Post by metman on Mar 10, 2008 18:23:41 GMT
leaving 5 spare trains?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 18:25:24 GMT
30 on the C&H and 10 in the District and how many actually have train ops on board?  |
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Post by astock5000 on Mar 10, 2008 19:09:44 GMT
I thought there were 46 trains of C Stock (35 x C69 and 11 x C77).
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Post by metman on Mar 10, 2008 20:18:58 GMT
ah-yes, you're right! It was 35 1/3 C69 and 11 C77! Not sure about today.
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Post by ruislip on Mar 10, 2008 20:25:02 GMT
When did the practice of switching a C-stock between the Circle and H&C at the end of the evening peak commence? Was this ever done with the COP stocks?
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Post by metman on Mar 10, 2008 20:31:49 GMT
Yes I believe it started with the CO/CP stocks in 1962-3 when the A62 moved the O/P stocks to Hammersmith and all trains were based there.
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Post by solidbond on Mar 11, 2008 0:11:08 GMT
ah-yes, you're right! It was 35 1/3 C69 and 11 C77! Not sure about today. The 1/3 ceased to be available in about 1993, when unit 5606/6606 was scrapped, due to non-standard motoring equipment. That left 105 units of C69 (=35 trains) and the 33 units of C77 (=11 trains) Obviously, the number of available units was reduced as a result of July 7th 2005. |
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Post by cetacean on Mar 11, 2008 0:27:54 GMT
Haven't one or more also been written off in buffer stop collisions?
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Post by c5 on Mar 11, 2008 2:48:44 GMT
I seem to recall the one that rode up on to of the buffer stops in Hammersmith many years ago was scrapped. I have seen a photo of it!
Was the West Ham Bombing one scrapped but another one order as part of the C77 batch?
6 cars of rebuilt C Stock are now back at Hammersmith.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 3:39:22 GMT
I seem to recall the one that rode up on to of the buffer stops in Hammersmith many years ago was scrapped. I have seen a photo of it! Was the West Ham Bombing one scrapped but another one order as part of the C77 batch? Yes. 5585 is actually a C77 DM numbered in the C69 series to replace the original 5585. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 7:52:06 GMT
I would suspect there is quite an anomaly between the published timetable number of trains and the real number. Even when there are enough drivers, there's rarely enough good stock.
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Post by solidbond on Mar 11, 2008 8:03:10 GMT
I seem to recall the one that rode up on to of the buffer stops in Hammersmith many years ago was scrapped. I have seen a photo of it! Was the West Ham Bombing one scrapped but another one order as part of the C77 batch? Yes. 5585 is actually a C77 DM numbered in the C69 series to replace the original 5585. You are of course correct about 5585, although it is actually a hybrid car, ss parts of the original 5585 were salvaged and used for the replacement car, plus of course the trailer is still the original car. As to other units being scrapped, up until at least 2004, there were 46 complete trains of C stock available, although one unit, 5506, had been robbed of so many parts that it was going to be scrapped, but the depot then spent about four months putting it all back together again As to the buffer stop collision units, there was one about a year ago, which I posted some pictures of herebut none of them have been scrapped as of last year. |
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Post by c5 on Mar 11, 2008 11:28:18 GMT
That (recent) buffer stop collision was put down as the the reason for their Rolling Stock shortage for months, along with units being out of service for Connect work and a backlog of work from 2005
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 11, 2008 14:30:59 GMT
6 cars of rebuilt C Stock are now back at Hammersmith. I understand these are the Hammersmith Depot flood damaged units from last year, just returned from Acton Works after repair. |
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Post by jazza on Mar 11, 2008 14:41:58 GMT
I also read elsewhere that two cars, 6505 and 6713, are being constructed in Hungary, how soon will these carriages be in service?
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Post by c5 on Mar 11, 2008 15:28:29 GMT
6 cars of rebuilt C Stock are now back at Hammersmith. I understand these are the Hammersmith Depot flood damaged units from last year, just returned from Acton Works after repair. |
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Post by metman on Mar 11, 2008 17:37:22 GMT
Oh yes, someone took a photo of some C stock at the works recently, that must be them (flood damaged).
Trailers being constructed (rebuilt?) in Hungary?
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Post by Chris M on Mar 11, 2008 18:00:14 GMT
Trailers being constructed (rebuilt?) in Hungary? I remember reading about this somewhere (here or Annie Mole's blog most likely). I don't remember the details, but as I understand it they are replacements for the units bombed on July 7th. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 18:49:35 GMT
IIRC the cars being rebuilt (everything visible above the floor being new) were damaged on July 7th, but are not the actual cars on which the devices exploded, rather they are cars that took some of the force and shrapnel because they were nearby at the time.
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Post by jazza on Mar 11, 2008 21:59:14 GMT
IIRC the cars being rebuilt (everything visible above the floor being new) were damaged on July 7th, but are not the actual cars on which the devices exploded, rather they are cars that took some of the force and shrapnel because they were nearby at the time. The information I have which came from LUL under the Freedom of Information act 2000 is as follows. The two carriages currently being built in Hungary are replacements for the two Circle line blast carriages from the Aldgate and Edgware Road incidents. The two blast carriages from the Aldgate and Edgware Road incidents did not re-enter passenger service and were securely disposed of. |
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Post by cetacean on Mar 11, 2008 22:16:05 GMT
The Evening Standard reports they're simply repairing the carriages damaged from the train that was passing when the bomb went off on another train (and that one has been scrapped). That seem a lot more plausible than them building any new ones from scratch. |
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Post by jazza on Mar 11, 2008 22:30:56 GMT
The Evening Standard reports they're simply repairing the carriages damaged from the train that was passing when the bomb went off on another train (and that one has been scrapped). That seem a lot more plausible than them building any new ones from scratch. Read that article, interesting, seems to contradict information already given out by LUL. I suppose we just wait and see what numbers they allocate the carriages. Supposed to be 6505 and 6713 |
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Post by plampin on Mar 17, 2008 20:46:15 GMT
did anyone ever go on the c stock when it was first built and had air suspension? that must have been awful!
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Post by plampin on Mar 17, 2008 20:50:35 GMT
ah-yes, you're right! It was 35 1/3 C69 and 11 C77! Not sure about today. It is the same today as far as i know but normally the circle line has 14 trains in service, the hammersmith and city line has 15 trains in service and the district line has about 9 or 10 trains in service, you could try reading the Underground news magasine which you can often buy at diferent events |
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Post by metman on Mar 18, 2008 17:16:12 GMT
With hindsight it is quite lucky that the C stock was built in DM-T pairs, otherwise, there could be many trains short! The ES article seems to make sense (for a change) new C77 cars would not really be possible to build so a rebuild was necessary! The article claims several cars have been scrapped! What were these cars? Were they DM or Ts?
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 30, 2008 15:44:40 GMT
The 1/3 ceased to be available in about 1993, when unit 5606/6606 was scrapped, due to non-standard motoring equipment. That left 105 units of C69 (=35 trains) and the 33 units of C77 (=11 trains) Obviously, the number of available units was reduced as a result of July 7th 2005. They should have just left 5606 in South Harrow sidings, then they would have been able to rebuild it (or maybe you can't rebuild anything you put in those sidings! ). I read that some A stock was rebuilt after being out of service for a while. |
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Post by Ben on Jun 30, 2008 16:33:08 GMT
Very true, but that was still in one piece, just canablised. 5234 wasnt it? Its fittings came from units withdrawn for refurbishment.
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Post by metman on Jun 30, 2008 16:58:40 GMT
They managed to make two units out of the stored trains!
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