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Post by ruislip on Feb 25, 2008 17:48:36 GMT
In Brian Hardy's book about "Standard" stock published in the '80s by the LURS, it mentions that Greenford was a normal peak hour reversing point for short working Centrals on the West Ruislip branch until 1960, when a new reversing point was introduced one station west at Northolt. Why was this changed? Was it to accommodate WR shuttles working Ealing Broadway-Greenford to use the bay platform between the two Central Line platforms?
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Post by metman on Feb 25, 2008 18:42:18 GMT
I can't see how Central Line trains could have used the bay. There is no access to the bay because the ramp down begins straight after the platfroms and it can only take 3 cars of DMU! There must have been a crossover beyond the station-no doubt why it was stopped!
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Post by Ben on Feb 25, 2008 18:58:17 GMT
Ahh, that would be part 2, I presume? Does anyone know where a copy of part one could be bought?
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Post by Tubeboy on Feb 25, 2008 22:33:24 GMT
Is it something to do with the fact that Northolt became a lot more busier [passenger flow], so got a siding, and more recently, a crossover from West-East.
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Post by metman on Feb 25, 2008 22:59:46 GMT
I'm sure that would be a major issue. Northolt is a major bus interchange.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 26, 2008 8:47:54 GMT
There was a central siding beyond Greenford station - you can see the gap between the tracks.
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Post by tubeprune on Feb 26, 2008 10:33:14 GMT
There was a central siding beyond Greenford station - you can see the gap between the tracks. The reversing siding at Greenford was just west of the platform. It was "moved" to Northolt on 1st May 1960. |
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Post by metman on Feb 26, 2008 10:39:02 GMT
Never knew that! Great cheers!
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Post by superteacher on Feb 26, 2008 12:20:47 GMT
When the siding was moved, did they have to move the running lines at Northolf to make a spece for it - or was a gap already there?
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Post by Harsig on Feb 26, 2008 15:27:50 GMT
When the siding was moved, did they have to move the running lines at Northolf to make a spece for it - or was a gap already there? That is actually a question that has intrigued me for some time. My suspicion is that the space was already there. If you look at the bridge immediately beyond the siding you will see that the westbound line passes beneath a separate span to the east bound (and NR Lines) and the distance between the spans is more than sufficient to accommodate the reversing siding. Assuming this is how the bridge was originally built for the 1948 extension of Central Line services to West Ruislip then that implies that Northolt was identified as a possible future reversing point a lot earlier than 1960. |
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Post by Tom on Feb 26, 2008 20:22:58 GMT
The gap was already there - it was envisaged at a very early stage that signal cabins would be provided at both Greenford and Northolt.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 26, 2008 21:50:23 GMT
Someone mentioned earlier about the crossover at Northolt, which was installed when the line was upgraded in the 90's. There is one rusty rail move over it on Sundays, but it doesn't get used much in practice. Having said that, I have been carried over it in service - once!
Were there more Northolt reversers than now in the past? The current timetable has off peak Northolt reversers, and I remember a previous timetable in the 1990's having them too. But I'm sure that before that, they were only ever in the peak, unless used for late running Ruislip services.
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Post by ruislip on Feb 27, 2008 3:38:54 GMT
Were there more Northolt reversers than now in the past? The current timetable has off peak Northolt reversers, and I remember a previous timetable in the 1990's having them too. But I'm sure that before that, they were only ever in the peak, unless used for late running Ruislip services. I know in the early 70s (from one of the last editions of Underground Guide that LT published) that the West Ruislip branch had short workings to both Northolt and Ruislip Gardens. IIRC the Northolts reversed, while the Ruislip Gardens trains were run at the ends of the peaks. |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 27, 2008 11:07:17 GMT
I saw a Ruislip Gardens train the other day, but they can't be common as that's the only one I ever remember seeing.
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Post by metman on Feb 27, 2008 12:12:16 GMT
I'm sure the Ruislip Gardens trains do run into the depot/sidings in the same way as Canons Park terminators do on the Jubilee.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 27, 2008 12:34:58 GMT
There are several trains which terminate at Ruislip Gardens after the peak, and then run directly into Ruislip depot. In the current timetable, there are also some on Saturdays that do this when the 24tph service winds down.
There are also trains which terminate at Ruislip Gardens, then run empty to the siding adjacent to West Ruislip station - not sure what road it is. They then reverse into the depot from there.
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Post by towerman on Feb 27, 2008 19:33:47 GMT
On Xmas Eve and Good Friday in the 70's & 80's they used to run Newbury Pk-Northolt reversers from about 11:00 till 19:00.
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Post by ruislip on Mar 7, 2008 20:56:14 GMT
If passenger loads to South Ruislip/Ruislip Gardens/West Ruislip are down, how does that compare with passenger loads to the 2 "Ruislips" on the Metropolitan/Piccadilly? |
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Post by plampin on Mar 19, 2008 23:53:59 GMT
I can't see how Central Line trains could have used the bay. There is no access to the bay because the ramp down begins straight after the platfroms and it can only take 3 cars of DMU! There must have been a crossover beyond the station-no doubt why it was stopped! That is correct, the central line never used the bay but it may have been built by london underground when they extended the central line because i don't think the GWR would have built a random bay platform just for a short shuttle service to Ealing Broadway. However i believe the mailine platforms were demolished in the 1960's which doesn't make sense when compared to my theory which is that the greenford shuttles continued further north on the new north main line |
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Post by metman on Mar 20, 2008 0:03:59 GMT
I expect LT did build the bay platform, maybe the Greenford Line was on the slow down so they decided to build the bay to prevent further hassle at a later date? When did the GWR stopping service end?
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Post by ruislip on Mar 20, 2008 0:14:11 GMT
I expect LT did build the bay platform, maybe the Greenford Line was on the slow down so they decided to build the bay to prevent further hassle at a later date? When did the GWR stopping service end? i will say probably in 1958. I may be wrong, but I read that the main-line services to Ruislip Gardens ended in that year. |
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Post by cetacean on Mar 20, 2008 3:31:18 GMT
Joe Brown has several of the local stations closing in 1947, same year as the Central Line opened. Ruislip Gardens closes 1958, and Greenford main line 1963. I think the whole current station was built by LU, as there'd have been no track there at all before.
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