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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 24, 2007 21:14:18 GMT
As I mentioned in the Northern centenary thread, I travelled on two of the 38ts trips, included in the cost of each individual ticket was a new Northern line book, by the noted transport writer Mike Horne, and it is published by Nebulous Books. I am therefore giving away one of the books as a prize.
The book is entitled "The last link" and is a feature on the first 30 years of the CCE&H Railway. I have skim read the book, and it is truly excellent, lots of informative writing, archive photos, as well as signal/track diagrams, and lots more.
Here is the question!
Why is Borough station unique on the Northern line?
I am not giving any clues, and I want the EXACT answer. The winning member will be contacted by PM, and the answer will be revealed in this thread once it has been correctly answered. I will post the book asap, by first class post in a jiffy bag.
You can help each other by all means, but like I said, no clues will be given.
Best of luck!!
I forgot to say, if you went on the trip, and therefore received a book, do not apply, let someone else try and win!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2007 22:02:27 GMT
The station was completely rebuilt and is a slightly different route from the C&SLR days?
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Post by Chris M on Jun 24, 2007 22:29:26 GMT
Well it was the first Northern Line only station that I used for a reason other than going to photograph the station, however I don't think this will be the answer you are looking for.
My first thought was that it is something to do with right-hand running. I thought it was that the centre lines of the running tunnels (which are arranged vertically at Borough) cross over slightly there is technically right-hand running. However on checking my facts with CULG it appears that this is actually Kentish Town.
After this I was wondering whether it is the only station to be on both the original and rebuilt CSLR routes.
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Post by SE13 on Jun 25, 2007 5:03:34 GMT
Isn't this the station that shows more approaching trains than any other on the platforms?
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 25, 2007 7:55:56 GMT
All incorrect I am afraid. As to the answers given, they are not factually correct either!  ;D The tunnels, platforms and passages are all original and not later, more recent creations. SE13, I suspect you mean the train indicators,the new ones show the first four trains, the old ones, only 3. There are a quite a few stations with the new ones now. |
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Post by Phil on Jun 25, 2007 9:12:52 GMT
I have not answered since, apart from me knowing the answer, it is available on the forum. Mind you, it took even me more than 15 minutes to find: the search engine is useless in this case and it is in a very obscure location - not obvious at all. Happy hunting!
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 25, 2007 16:41:33 GMT
Completely random stab in the dark - might have stumbled across the answer when chasing up threads about the CSLR - is it that one of the passenger cross passages at Borough is built to running tunnel diameter using tunnel segments - larger than a normal one?
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 25, 2007 17:33:30 GMT
Nope.
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Post by SE13 on Jun 25, 2007 17:56:53 GMT
Another thought I had was that bearing in mind the station was part of a different line once upon a time, could it be something to do with having to be widened to accomodate Northern Line Trains? Or possibly still having the existing tunnels remaining from where the original line once ran?
Aside from that, I'm stumped!
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Post by Colin D on Jun 25, 2007 18:31:30 GMT
Is it because of it being the most northern of the original C&SLR stations?
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 25, 2007 18:53:22 GMT
No, to both of you chaps!
I said I wouldnt give any clues, but I will tomorrow night if it still remains unanswered, it wont be a big one though!
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Post by sm on Jun 25, 2007 21:03:41 GMT
Unlike other stations, the lifts goes all the way to the Northbound platform, whilst there is stairs to the Southbound platform.
On other stations the lifts go to a central point between the two platforms with a slight flight of stairs between both the platforms.
This change was due to electric traction experiments that were being conducted at Borough station when considering changing from cable traction.
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 25, 2007 21:15:34 GMT
Nope sm!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2007 21:16:44 GMT
is thier anychance whatsoever that anyone will get this in the next year??
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Post by sm on Jun 25, 2007 21:34:43 GMT
Nips! Oh I don't know... has it got anything to do with the fact it used to be called Great Dover Street station?
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 25, 2007 21:34:59 GMT
I am sure people like Phil and TOK know, maybe they don't want to enter?
I think people are thinking the answer is really hard, it isnt really.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2007 21:35:47 GMT
*waits for CSLR to come along with his input*
Okay, what makes Borough unique?
Unique to the Northern or unique as to the entire system?
I hereby declare that I enter the quiz under duress from a third party, namely Crusher and a mutt called Fang.
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 25, 2007 21:39:45 GMT
Read the question! As to CSLR, he knows the answer, as I consulted him about my question in the first place! So if you are expecting CSLR's encyclopaedic knowledge of the Northern to help you.......well it wont happen! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2007 21:39:59 GMT
Jawohl!
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 25, 2007 21:47:16 GMT
No, sorry sm.
Also the answer is not because it has a similar name to the Burroughs tunnel up at Hendon!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2007 21:55:23 GMT
Try 1.
Borough is, as far as I can remember, the only station NOT to have had it's platforms swapped sides when the running tunnels were enlarged for the 1926 extensions. Reportedly, tunnels were enlarged around running trains, and one of the boards holding back the earth gave way, into which a train ran...
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Post by loughtonsiding on Jun 25, 2007 22:30:46 GMT
Because Borough was used for the first trial of a tube train, with a locomotive and trailers dismantled and lowered down the lift shafts, and power supplied from a temporary generator via cables running down the lift shaft.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2007 23:52:44 GMT
Ok, let’s have a crack at this.
Is it because Borough was specifically designed to be an access point to the tube tunnels for rolling stock? I think the passage to the northbound tunnel is vastly over-sized (for most passengers!) and the bottom of the lift shaft is/was removable to give direct access to the passage. This meant that carriages could be lowered down the lift shaft, pulled along the passage and put onto the rails in the northbound platform.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 26, 2007 0:25:02 GMT
Borough is the only station to have photographic proof of Hudson 'Rugga' skip wagons pushed on track down its platforms.
(other photographs of skips in use [1] are of a different design)
[1] unless the answer is that Borough has had a narrow gauge track laid down the platform - and no other station has?
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Post by mrfs42 on Jun 26, 2007 0:32:03 GMT
<wanders off from 'pooter>
and thinks about seperate 'Up'and 'Down' signalboxes at Borough.......
Hmm: 'S numbers' <na, dim am byth - wanders away again in a cloud of free beer ;D ;D>
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Post by SE13 on Jun 26, 2007 5:14:53 GMT
Most remote station? As in the furthest distance to the next one....
Clutching at straws now!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2007 6:48:53 GMT
The platform indicators show the next 4 trains instead of the usual 3?
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 26, 2007 9:17:01 GMT
No to all posts guys!
The train indicators has already been rejected!
As for distances between stations, there are examples such as Charing Cross-Embankment [shortest] to East Finchley-Finchley Central and Camden-Euston [Bank side] being a lot longer.
As to the signal boxes, all the CSLR stations had them, not just Borough.
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Post by jdgray1 on Jun 26, 2007 10:40:09 GMT
Is it there are next train indicators in the entrance hall?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2007 10:44:57 GMT
Is it a wrong way working thing? Didn’t the old C&SLR run wrong way under the Thames but the tunnels don’t cross back until south of Borough.
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