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Post by movingmillion on Aug 27, 2018 12:40:12 GMT
Hello all,
Do any of you think that there is any chance for Metro-Cammel to return?
<<rincew1nd: Spelling corrected in thread title (cammel, cammell).>>
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Post by class411 on Aug 27, 2018 13:06:50 GMT
Presumably, if they did, it would be in name only.
Rather like Bush and Pye TV's and suchlike.
It seems unlikely, though, as the people responsible for railway contracts are not likely to be influenced by the vague feeling that a product has a good 'name', which is the normal purpose for recycling names.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Aug 27, 2018 14:33:19 GMT
With Bombardier in Derby, Hitachi in Newton Aycliffe and Siemens opening up a new factory in Goole would there be enough demand for a fourth train builder in the UK?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 27, 2018 16:23:50 GMT
What was MetroCammell is now part of Alstom, which made no trains for the British market since the very early days of privatisation (classes 175, 180, 334, 390, 458, 460), none of which had any follow-on orders except for lengthening the Pendolinos and adding four new units to the fleet - the extra vehicles were built in Italy as Washwood Heath closed in 2004 after the original Pendolino fleet was built). Alstom are now in merger talks with Siemens (subject to regulatory agreement). Of course there is the possibility that the Goole factory will revive the name, but I doubt it somehow.
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Post by movingmillion on Aug 27, 2018 17:29:07 GMT
I presume then in that case there is no chance for a return to the Metro-Cammel design for trains any time soon/ever?
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Aug 27, 2018 18:05:28 GMT
I presume then in that case there is no chance for a return to the Metro-Cammel design for trains any time soon/ever? Metro Cammel was absorbed by Alstrom in 1989 and closed down altogether in 2005 so I'd doubt it very much. |
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Post by movingmillion on Aug 27, 2018 18:07:03 GMT
Would there be any chance of another company, not copying but perhaps emulating, the general design by MC?
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Aug 27, 2018 18:11:34 GMT
Would there be any chance of another company, not copying but perhaps emulating, the general design by MC? Would there be any point in emulating a design team that ceased to exist (to all intents and puposes) almost 30 years ago when things have moved so far ahead now? It'd be like asking British Leyland to design the next Ford Focus. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 27, 2018 18:57:10 GMT
Would there be any chance of another company, not copying but perhaps emulating, the general design by MC? Metro-Cammell built a huge variety of rolling stock, including such different designs as the Brighton Belle and Blue Pullman, the Class 156 Super Sprinter, the Mark 4 InterCity225 coaches, and the Glasgow Subway "clockwork orange" cars. Also most Tube stock from 1938 to 1996. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 27, 2018 19:39:09 GMT
Personally it would be quite nice if we didn't emulate designs from before my lifetime. Hardly gives off the idea of progressive and modern!
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Post by John Tuthill on Aug 27, 2018 20:31:56 GMT
Would there be any chance of another company, not copying but perhaps emulating, the general design by MC? Metro-Cammell built a huge variety of rolling stock, including such different designs as the Brighton Belle and Blue Pullman, the Class 156 Super Sprinter, the Mark 4 InterCity225 coaches, and the Glasgow Subway "clockwork orange" cars. Also most Tube stock from 1938 to 1996. Not forgetting the R49 stock as well |
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 28, 2018 8:41:13 GMT
With Bombardier in Derby, Hitachi in Newton Aycliffe and Siemens opening up a new factory in Goole would there be enough demand for a fourth train builder in the UK? Isn't CAF opening a plant in south Wales? |
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Post by cudsn15 on Aug 28, 2018 9:22:51 GMT
I'm not sure I really understand the nature of the question - Even if "Metro-cammell" came back - whatever made the old company what it was wouldn't be there - the designers, the innovators the workers. It would be completely new - so why call it "Metro-Cammell"? Train design has advanced beyond recognition from 20-40 years ago.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Aug 28, 2018 9:25:44 GMT
With Bombardier in Derby, Hitachi in Newton Aycliffe and Siemens opening up a new factory in Goole would there be enough demand for a fourth train builder in the UK? Isn't CAF opening a plant in south Wales? Apparently in Newport and it should start production in "Autumn 2018" on 77 DMUs for the new Keolis/Amey Wales franchise. Hey, its Wales, the carrier pigeon must have got lost somewhere along the M4. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 28, 2018 9:55:55 GMT
Isn't CAF opening a plant in south Wales? Apparently in Newport and it should start production in "Autumn 2018" on 77 DMUs for the new Keolis/Amey Wales franchise. Hey, its Wales, the carrier pigeon must have got lost somewhere along the M4. So in answer to your original question, 'would there be demand for a 4th builder?' Yes there would! Would there be demand for a 5th builder though? I doubt it. |
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