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Post by superteacher on Sept 21, 2018 23:53:55 GMT
I'm aghast that were once again having to ensure a strike. I was intending to get a group of young exchange students to LHR on the tube that day. Makes our transport look a right dog's breakfast. This commuter has lost patience with Piccadilly drivers. I assume you mean “endure”. And wasn’t the last strike called off. I’m not taking sides here, but you might like to find out the full facts of the dispute before blaming the drivers. And if the strike goes ahead, you can still get to LHR by TFL Rail. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 25, 2018 13:44:57 GMT
RMT Union and London Underground have concluded talks at conciliation service ACAS to no avail.
Strike action is set to go ahead.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 13:58:45 GMT
I’m assuming the afternoon shift won’t be booking on. So the service will start to wind down as the early turns book off? Or will be a case of at 1.00pm, everyone is chucked off with the trains returning to the depots empty?
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Post by DistrictSOM on Sept 25, 2018 14:11:21 GMT
Usually if they have booked on they usually finish the shift but the service management team would start to wind down the service early to ensure the trains are in the right place for when the strike gets called off / finishes
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 14:17:35 GMT
Usually if they have booked on they usually finish the shift but the service management team would start to wind down the service early to ensure the trains are in the right place for when the strike gets called off / finishes I suppose it all depends on safety as well. If the gaps between trains become too large it might be easier to close the services. The other question relates to booking off. If a driver books off at Acton Town, the train can’t just stay there. Would they be asked to stable it in Northfields depot, even though it goes past the end of their shift? |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 25, 2018 14:29:29 GMT
Usually if they have booked on they usually finish the shift but the service management team would start to wind down the service early to ensure the trains are in the right place for when the strike gets called off / finishes I suppose it all depends on safety as well. If the gaps between trains become too large it might be easier to close the services. The other question relates to booking off. If a driver books off at Acton Town, the train can’t just stay there. Would they be asked to stable it in Northfields depot, even though it goes past the end of their shift? From my own experience they put trains away early to ensure drivers don't go over their booking off time e.g.someone due to finish at 15:00 will stable the train at 13:00 I'm aghast that were once again having to ensure a strike. I was intending to get a group of young exchange students to LHR on the tube that day. Makes our transport look a right dog's breakfast. This commuter has lost patience with Piccadilly drivers. But infinite patience for the Piccadilly management who created the problem... <<superteacher: consecutive posts merged.>> |
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Post by DistrictSOM on Sept 25, 2018 15:02:40 GMT
Usually if they have booked on they usually finish the shift but the service management team would start to wind down the service early to ensure the trains are in the right place for when the strike gets called off / finishes I suppose it all depends on safety as well. If the gaps between trains become too large it might be easier to close the services. The other question relates to booking off. If a driver books off at Acton Town, the train can’t just stay there. Would they be asked to stable it in Northfields depot, even though it goes past the end of their shift? I think there is a agreement that the driver takes the train to the nearest siding / depot or bay road. In the case of Acton Town if there is a siding available the train can go in there. |
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 15:16:29 GMT
I suppose it all depends on safety as well. If the gaps between trains become too large it might be easier to close the services. The other question relates to booking off. If a driver books off at Acton Town, the train can’t just stay there. Would they be asked to stable it in Northfields depot, even though it goes past the end of their shift? I think there is a agreement that the driver takes the train to the nearest siding / depot or bay road. In the case of Acton Town if there is a siding available the train can go in there. But there are only 4 sidings there. |
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Post by PiccNT on Sept 25, 2018 15:19:28 GMT
Most of the group I work with at my depot haven't the first clue why the strike has been called. Most don't care but are willing to comply with the union for this strike call but will think long and hard if another is called.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 15:44:38 GMT
Most of the group I work with at my depot haven't the first clue why the strike has been called. Most don't care but are willing to comply with the union for this strike call but will think long and hard if another is called. That's an interesting point, especially in view of the quote from the RMT (below): ". . .comprehensive breakdown in industrial relations, abuse of procedures and the reneging on key safety and operational improvements promised by management after previous rounds of industrial action". |
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Post by PiccNT on Sept 25, 2018 15:54:04 GMT
Most of the group I work with at my depot haven't the first clue why the strike has been called. Most don't care but are willing to comply with the union for this strike call but will think long and hard if another is called. That's an interesting point, especially in view of the quote from the RMT (below): ". . .comprehensive breakdown in industrial relations, abuse of procedures and the reneging on key safety and operational improvements promised by management after previous rounds of industrial action".All I can say is that we do not recognise any of this! Maybe someone somewhere has fallen foul of a procedure but in my experience, it's normally those that take the mickey particularly where attendance is concerned. |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 25, 2018 16:08:54 GMT
I think there is a agreement that the driver takes the train to the nearest siding / depot or bay road. In the case of Acton Town if there is a siding available the train can go in there. But there are only 4 sidings there. I suspect common sense applies here - if all the sidings are full then they aren't available and the train will be taken to the nearest suitable place that is available. |
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 18:04:54 GMT
But there are only 4 sidings there. I suspect common sense applies here - if all the sidings are full then they aren't available and the train will be taken to the nearest suitable place that is available. Common sense on the railway? Now, now Chris . . .  |
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Post by MoreToJack on Sept 25, 2018 21:18:15 GMT
But there are only 4 sidings there. I suspect common sense applies here - if all the sidings are full then they aren't available and the train will be taken to the nearest suitable place that is available. The point still stands that you can't assume that a driver will be happy to go over their booked shift finish in order to move a train to the nearest available siding - this could be some distance from Acton Town. Accordingly whilst some trains may be put away there, services will - as mentioned - be run down early to ensure that everything is in a depot and drivers can book off at their correct time. Another issue is one of train prep/stock availability for when services start up again. Stabbing points away from primary depots may not have either the staff available nor the facilities for train prep, and without that a train cannot run in service, and will need to be moved to a primary depot for that prep to take place. Of course, there may then not be any appropriately qualified staff available to prep the train, and no spare stock, and so the problem propagates and increases. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 25, 2018 23:40:30 GMT
At the risk of being repetitive on strike days trains are usually put away early rather than have drivers work up to their book off time to find the driver that was meant to relieve them hasn't booked on.
The last time there was a strike on I stabled a train around 21:00 in Loughton when I was meant to book off around 22:30 at Leytonstone.
The whole ''take the train to the nearest depot or siding'' thing is only used when something unexpected happens, as strikes have to be announced well in advance management can hardly claim it's unexpected.
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