Met to Barking (the first time!!)

Were these services operated all the time, or only during the peaks? I'm wondering since they had a 7-8 minute frequency.

Yes, I believe this was operated throughout the day! I'd be surprised if the W, T, MV and MW stocks operated the Barking route. These generally ran on the Watford line. MV stock was 3 trains of 1927 motors with dreadnought coaches and were vacumed braked although in 1935 they became MW stock which were what the T stock used to be called pre LT. W stock were MW motor coaches that operated with 6 Ashbury 'bogie' stock coaches. These began to be withdrawn in 1939-41 and were initially stored (except 6 that worked the Chesham shuttle till 1960).

I'm looking forward to seeing some of the timetable results!!!!

I've never been on one but I'd love to get down to the Bluebell Railway and have a go!

Ah, I was only quoting the stock types as an example - I've not had the time to analyse the Barking services in these tts yet - I've been concentrating on the Circles of late (having already looked at the Watfords - which is why I thought of the MW/MV stocks: but I got side tracked into following Car 17000 which pops up in the early 50s) As I'm still in Kent, it might take a while but these are the pre- ELL Circle/H&C segregation TTs that I can lay my hands on:

Met No 1 Sundays 81 1941 5th May
bound with 80, 82, 83 includes ELL

Met No 1 Weekdays 80 1941 5th May
bound with 81, 82, 83 includes ELL

Met No 2 Sundays 83 the 1st 1941 5th May
bound with 80, 81, 82

Met No 2 Weekdays 82 1941 5th May
bound with 80, 81, 83

Met No 1 Sundays 86 1941 6th October
Bound with 85, 87, 83 Includes ELL

Met No 1 Weekdays 85 1941 6th October
Bound with 86, 87, 83 Includes ELL

Met No 2 Weekdays 87 1941 6th October
Bound with 85, 86, 83

Met No 2 Sundays 83 the 2nd 1941 6th October
Bound with 85/6/7

Met No 1 Sundays 96 1942 2nd November
with 95, 97, 98 inc ELL, first landscape

Met No 1 Weekdays 95 1942 2nd November
with 96, 97, 98 inc ELL, first landscape

Met No 2 Sundays 98 1942 2nd November
with 95, 96, 97, first landscape

Met No 2 Weekdays 97 1942 2nd November
with 95, 96, 98, first landscape

Met City Widened 125b 1949 26th September

Met No 1 127 1950 5th June
bound with 126

Met No 2 126 1950 5th June
bound with 127

Met ELL 137 1952 30th June

Met No 1 136 1952 30th June
bound with 139

Met No 2 139 1952 30th June
bound with 136

Met No 1 141 1952 3rd November
bound with 143

Met No 2 143 1952 3rd November
bound with 141

Met No 2 145 1953 8th June

Met No 2 151 1954 28th June
new SB tracks at Wembley Park

Met City Widened 171 1958 9th June

Met No 1 170 1958 9th June
Bound with 172

Met No 2 172 1958 9th June
Bound with 170

Met No 1 175 1959 15th June
Bound with 178

Met No 2 178 1959 15th June
Bound with 175

Met No 1 181 1960 4th January
Bound with 182

Met No 2 182 1960 4th January
Bound with 181

Met No 1 191 1961 11th September
Bound with 193

Met No 2 193 1961 11th September
Bound with 191

Met No 1 188 1961 12th June
Bound with 189

Met No 2 189 1961 12th June
Bound with 188

Met ELL 195 1962 18th June

Met No 1 194 1962 18th June
Bound with 197

Met No 2 197 1962 18th June
Bound with 194

Met CWL 201 1963 17th June

Met ELL 214 1965 11th October
note: standard timings on cover

Met ELL 232 1970 26th January

Met ELL 239 1971 13th September
stamped recieved 5 NOV Financial Appraisal Officer

Met No 1 C235 1972 November
MF

Met No 2 C237 1972 October
MF

Met CWL 243 1974 6th May

Met ELL A242 1974 6th May

Met ELL E242 1974 April

Met City Widened 252 1975 5th May
MF, Sats

Met No 1 249 1975 April
Sats

Met No 1 248 1975 January
MF

Met No 2 256 1975 July
MF no uncoupling

Met No 2 247 1975 May
Suns

Met ELL 260 1976 May

Met No 1 268 1977 December
MF, 30 train peak

Met No 2 272 1977 December
Saturdays 17 train service

Met No 2 271 1977 December
Monday - Friday 46 train peak

Met No 2 273 1977 December
Sunday 17 train

Met No 1 259 1977 February
MF, 30 train peak

Met No 2 266 1977 January
Suns, 17 train service, no uncoupling

Met No 1 269 1977 November
Sats, 18 train service

Met No 1 270 1977 November
Suns, 16 train service

Met No 1 275 1979 April

Met No 1 278 1980 6th October

Met No 2 279 1980 6th October

Met No 1 280 1982 December

Met No 2 281 1982 December

Met No 1 280A 1984 October
introduction of OPO

Met No 2 281A 1984 October
Intro of OPO

Met No 1 284 1986 April

Met No 1 287 1987 11th May

Met No 1 290 1988 16th May

This list is a bit out of date; I know I've got a Met No 1 and No 2 from 1906 and a Met No 4 from 1915 waiting at home.

Yeah - trains with 17000 et al in had the note AA next to them in the rolling stock workings - there might have been a column note in some of the early galleys when these cars were operating.

There was about to be a little war on too!

I read that trains to Barking were operated as 8 cars. My guess is that the six 8 car Q38 trains (DM-T-T-DM+T-DM+T-DM or DM-T-T-DM+DM-T-T-DM) were joined by, the four six car M stock trains bought for the Hammersmith & City extension to Barking, some N stock trailers using G and K motors (G-N-N-K+N-K+N-K) and the rest made up of 1905-6 Hammersmith and City or Met saloon stock!

That's my guess anyway!

By 1940, most of the P stock had entered service on the Uxbridge-Barking route, although many of the cars and the service met their fate in the Blitz!

No thanks, longer routes mean longer delays! You think the Met trains are suffering now-they won't enjoy a trip to Barking!! I think the Barking line would be a mistake, especially with most peak trains running thru. Barking would need to be rebuilt and the money isn't there. Too many flat junctions!

Not quite evenly, the split tended to be Uxbridge/Watford in preference to Amersham: however I will have a look through the timetable mountain when time permits.

True - but insofar as this thread has merrily wandered off-topic ;D the latter days of uncoupling were of course A stock (which you know), but with regard to uncoupling at Watford the Bakerloo did it with abandon in platform 5 - (oo. hang on wrong board... )

To-morrow. Are you racing to be the quickest to a 1000 posts?

Wednesday night is programmed to look at the early Met. TTs, possibly Thursday night for the later Met. TTs. I'll update....

Here is what I remember about Uxbridge branch uncoupling(all of this describes weekday services; I'm still trying to figure out if Saturday & Sunday Mets used 4 or 8 cars on the main line).
At 1004 train 35 would arrive from Aldgate and uncouple. The first 4 cars would become train 75 and leave Uxbridge at 1014. The last 4 cars would remain train 35 and leave Uxbridge at 1029. At 1019 train 45 would arrive from Aldgate and stable in one of the platforms (the farthest right one as you walk into the station). 45 would remain there until 1459 when it would leave for Baker St.
At 1034 train 36 would arrive from Aldgate and uncouple. The first 4 cars would become train 76 and leave Uxbridge at 1044. The last 4 cars would remain train 36 and leave Uxbridge at 1059. At 1049 train 42 would arrive from Baker St, tip out, and stable in the sidings. It would re-enter service at 1529 for Baker St.
At 1104 train 37 would arrive from Baker St and uncouple. The first 4 cars would become train 77 and leave at 1114. The last 4 cars would remain train 37 and leave at 1129. At 1119 train 47 would arrive from Baker St, tip out, and stable in the sidings. It would re-enter service at 1559 for Aldgate.
Now, the re-coupling.
Train 35 would arrive at 1449. Train 76, arriving at 1504, would couple with it creating a new train 35 which departed at 1514 for Baker St.
Train 36 would arrive at 1519. Train 77, arriving at 1534, would couple with it creating a new train 36 which departed at 1544 (if I had my Underground Guide in front of me, I could say for sure if it was an Aldgate or Baker St service).
Train 37 would arrive at 1549. Train 75, arriving at 1604, would couple with it creating a new train 37 which departed at 1614 for Aldgate.

Back from France! In 1941 all trains would have been formed of 8 cars of O/P stock, hence 'Metadyne' in the timetable. The O stock would have worked at the inner ends because of the short platform lengths and the guard position. Mrfs, do you have the timetables for 1939? This will show the Barking service when it was new and untroubled by war.