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Post by metman on Jan 21, 2008 15:16:53 GMT
I have just been reading that when electrified, the Chesham shuttle was run by a 3 car T stock train (DM-T-DT I guess) and then this was replaced by P stock before sufficient A60 units were available. I was just wondering in what formation the P stock would have run? It wouldn't have been cars DM-T-DM because there was only one compressor, so would 4 or 5 cars have been used?  Thanks in advance for any replies |
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Post by c5 on Jan 21, 2008 15:20:27 GMT
Do you mean P Class?  ;D ;D  |
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Post by metman on Jan 21, 2008 16:09:01 GMT
Nope, LU 1939 built P stock that ran on the Uxbridge service. It was used on the Chesham Shuttle but it doesn't say in what formation!
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Post by mowat on Jan 21, 2008 17:07:37 GMT
It wouldn't have been cars DM-T-DM because there was only one compressor, so would 4 or 5 cars have been used? If I'm not mistaken, ( If I am somone will soon shoot me down in flames) the CO/CP stock DM's were fitted with compressors, and not the trailers, so a 3 car unit would have 2 compressors. |
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Post by metman on Jan 21, 2008 17:26:57 GMT
I read that only the D end DMs had compressors hence when the O stock trailers where delivered onto the H&C line uncoupling ceased and all trains ran as 6 cars DM-T-DM+DM-T-DM instead of DM-DM+DM-DM<+>DM-DM (added in peaks only)
I think in 1960ish most P stock was still metadyne and not PCM (the Circle was tho) and the H&C was being converted!
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Post by metman on Apr 8, 2008 9:31:05 GMT
Right, just bought the book 'the COP story' and it says that for a time, after the T stock trains were withdrawn but before there was enough A stock, 4 car O/P sets were used on the Chesham shuttle and also they ran some peak hour Chesham-City services!
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Post by ruislip on Apr 8, 2008 19:05:00 GMT
Right, just bought the book 'the COP story' and it says that for a time, after the T stock trains were withdrawn but before there was enough A stock, 4 car O/P sets were used on the Chesham shuttle and also they ran some peak hour Chesham-City services! Did the COP ever work Amersham or Watford services? I read on Wikipedia where F stock occasionally worked to Amersham or Watford; and that T stock occasionally travelled to Uxbridge. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 9, 2008 2:06:27 GMT
COP to Amersham/Watford = only in times of EXTREME emergencies [1] - F stock (oh, what lovely tanks) were timetabled to Am/Wf (reference lost in pile of notes). T stock to Ux - occasionally under that monniker, regularly when 'T' was known as 'MW' or 'MV'. [1] probbly 'P' stock I think |
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Post by metman on Apr 9, 2008 4:55:22 GMT
Sounds about right, the O/P metadyne equipment was getting unreliable so T stock did sometimes run to Uxbridge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2008 18:13:53 GMT
The P Stock on the Chesham shuttle was M-M+M-M. It didn't last for long. I have never seen a photo of it but there are a couple of ColourRail slides that show a T Stock on the Chesham shuttle - one at Chesham and another approaching (or even leaving!) Chalfont.
Both P and F Stock did work to Amersham post electrification in 1960. The afternoon "schools" train (a normal working but timed to coincide with schools at Northwood turning out) was formed of either stock as it was thought desirable to put a saloon stock on when the kids turned out. If I remember correctly, an F Stock (set 28?) started in the early afternoon from Neasden, long before the PM peak start-ups, and worked to Baker Street, then to Amersham.
Prior to electrification to Amersham, I am sure this train went to Watford or Rickmansworth. I also believe that the provision of a saloon stock southbound at school turning out time was something started some time after WW2 - it was certainly running in the early 1950s - as a P Stock, as the F Stock was then still on the District.
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 15, 2008 0:41:05 GMT
Afternoon F stock starters from Neasden:
Working TimeTable 182 (4/1/60)
F8 [22] 1.41(S) empty to BaKer Street Neasden 1|44 Finchley Road 1|50 arrive BkS pfm 2 1.55 , BkS 2.6half to WatFord all stations excl N, arrive Wf pfm 1 2.56, , depart Wf 3.28 all stations excl. N, arrive Aldgate pfm 3 4.30half.
F8 [24] 3.9 (S) empty to BkS N 3|12 FRd 3|18arr BkS 2 3.23, BkS 3.28half to UxBridge all stations excl N, arrive UxB 1 4.6, depart UxB 4.12half all stations excl N, arrive Aldgate 5.9
WTT 189 (12/6/61) similar, though [22] ety off N(S) 1.16, BkS 1.36half to AMersham 2, arr 2.30, off Am 3.23, all stations excl N to A arr 4.30half. [24] identical bar half later off BkS arr UxB 4.6 off UxB 4.12half
WTT 193 (11/9/61) only [24] at 3.9 off N (S) is F8, prior afternoon Neasden starters - all (S) are [47] 2.12 P6, [29] 2.57 P8, 3.4 A8.
EDIT [112] 3.4 A8.
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Post by ruislip on Apr 16, 2008 16:50:17 GMT
What does the "half" mean in the above notes? Does it imply that the train was uncoupled upon reaching Baker Street?
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 16, 2008 17:06:18 GMT
4.28half = 4.28 1/ 2  |
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Post by Ben on Apr 16, 2008 20:16:05 GMT
If anyones interested, the character for 'half' is obtained by holding the 'alt' key down and typing 0189 -> ½. A quarter is alt + 0188 and three quarters is alt + 0190. I think you can get 8ths and thirds, but cant remember the keycode.
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 18, 2008 15:22:31 GMT
I know - but usuallly when it comes to putting half in I always forget to press 'Num Lock' on the lappendoggen keypad first or I pick up a 1/ 2 from elsewhere.  (or I'm too drunk to care) |
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