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Post by Geoffram on Feb 11, 2016 6:37:24 GMT
Does anyone know why it was called Lambeth North and not North Lambeth?
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Post by theblackferret on Feb 11, 2016 12:01:17 GMT
Does anyone know why it was called Lambeth North and not North Lambeth? It started (March 1906) as Kennington Road, then changed (July 1906) to Westminster Bridge Road, before solving its' identity crisis in April 1917. Most stations opened before the 1920's seem to have the geographical bit last, both on the Tube & around the country-South Kentish Town was a notable exception. It might be tied to the nomenclature of parliamentary boundaries, which always seemed to be Doobury South or Thingummy West until recent times, plus putting the geographical bit first may've been too generic to serve a particular locale, given that people've always referred to, for example, South-East London or Central Croydon as whole areas. So I think it was just the way things were generally done in those days. Interestingly, a 1980's industrial estate near Bristol was called Aztec West & of course Haircut 100's 1982 chart-topping album was Pelican West, so maybe the habit is more engrained in the British collective consciousness than we realised!
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Post by humbug on Feb 11, 2016 12:06:10 GMT
Is this today's quiz part II? That great fount of human knowledge, Wikipedia, suggests North Lambeth is now Southbank: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambeth_MarshAs an ex-contributor, I take anything in that site with a giant pinch of salt!
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Post by John Tuthill on Feb 11, 2016 12:53:40 GMT
Does anyone know why it was called Lambeth North and not North Lambeth? It started (March 1906) as Kennington Road, then changed (July 1906) to Westminster Bridge Road, before solving its' identity crisis in April 1917. Most stations opened before the 1920's seem to have the geographical bit last, both on the Tube & around the country-South Kentish Town was a notable exception. It might be tied to the nomenclature of parliamentary boundaries, which always seemed to be Doobury South or Thingummy West until recent times, plus putting the geographical bit first may've been too generic to serve a particular locale, given that people've always referred to, for example, South-East London or Central Croydon as whole areas. So I think it was just the way things were generally done in those days.Interestingly, a 1980's industrial estate near Bristol was called Aztec West & of course Haircut 100's 1982 chart-topping album was Pelican West, so maybe the habit is more engrained in the British collective consciousness than we realised! Does raise an interesting question though. Nearby there is 'Waterloo East', then we have the three Hounslows, E/C/W, but then we have South Wimbledon, and South Harrow.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 11, 2016 13:28:27 GMT
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Post by Rich32 on Feb 11, 2016 14:38:33 GMT
Some examples would be Morden/Morden South or Aldgate/Aldgate East
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 11, 2016 14:49:21 GMT
Even before its 1960s expansion to create the modern London Borough of Lambeth, the ancient parish of Lambeth extended as far south as Norwood (and isn't it odd there is no Surwood?) The "North" in Lambeth North station was in parenthesis until 1928.
The "Painting South London Orange" proposal that came out a couple of weeks ago came up with a strange construct called "Clapham East" which would actually be over a mile west of the High Street. (It's between Wandsworth Road and "Clapham" Junction)
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Post by humbug on Feb 11, 2016 14:50:02 GMT
OK, so which joker decided West Finchley should be East of Finchley Central (and the town on Google maps), and sited East Finchley more South than East?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 11, 2016 14:57:15 GMT
Some examples would be Morden/Morden South or Aldgate/Aldgate East Then you have confusing situations like Wigan North Western , which is actually immediately to the south of the other station in the town. At least there is a reason for that, but how did the three Dulwich stations get their names - North Dulwich is south west of East Dulwich, and north west of West Dulwich.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 15:30:54 GMT
Nearby there is 'Waterloo East', then we have the three Hounslows, E/C/W, but then we have South Wimbledon, and South Harrow. With regard to South Harrow - in the early 1900s, there was no such place as "South Harrow". The first decade of the 20th century saw 2 railways opened below the southern slopes of Harrow Hill, each with a station called "South Harrow". First to open was the Metropolitan District (Ealing & South Harrow) with its station off Northolt Road in Roxeth. 3 years later the Great Central opened its station a mile east in Greenford Road, on the borders of Harrow, Sudbury and Greenford, a couple of hundred yards up the road from the E&SH's Sudbury Hill station. The naming was sorted out in 1926 when the LNER opened South Harrow & Roxeth for Northolt Park (now Northolt Park) and South Harrow (LNER) became Sudbury Hill (Harrow).
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Post by theblackferret on Feb 11, 2016 17:47:48 GMT
We should also perhaps remember who lives at Lambeth Palace.
May have been that Lambeth North got its' moniker because of a proper sense of comme il faut from the railway authority in due deference to not lowering the tone of a Borough in which the Archbishop of Canterbury resides.
Not too sure it would matter today, but in 1917?
And, on the subject of geographically inaccurate place-names, let's not forget the 1960's film, Krakatoa, East of Java, because it ain't east of Java, and wasn't before or after the 1883 eruption!
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Post by John Tuthill on Feb 11, 2016 18:03:02 GMT
Nearby there is 'Waterloo East', then we have the three Hounslows, E/C/W, but then we have South Wimbledon, and South Harrow. With regard to South Harrow - in the early 1900s, there was no such place as "South Harrow". The first decade of the 20th century saw 2 railways opened below the southern slopes of Harrow Hill, each with a station called "South Harrow". First to open was the Metropolitan District (Ealing & South Harrow) with its station off Northolt Road in Roxeth. 3 years later the Great Central opened its station a mile east in Greenford Road, on the borders of Harrow, Sudbury and Greenford, a couple of hundred yards up the road from the E&SH's Sudbury Hill station. The naming was sorted out in 1926 when the LNER opened South Harrow & Roxeth for Northolt Park (now Northolt Park) and South Harrow (LNER) became Sudbury Hill (Harrow). tank you for the history
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 11, 2016 23:02:27 GMT
Some examples would be Morden/Morden South or Aldgate/Aldgate East Then you have confusing situations like Wigan North Western , which is actually immediately to the south of the other station in the town. At least there is a reason for that, but how did the three Dulwich stations get their names - North Dulwich is south west of East Dulwich, and north west of West Dulwich. And of course, to further confuse things, there is the West Yorkshire station of "New Pudsey"; the other Pudsey stations all closed and New Pudsey opened before I was born, so it's no longer very new. I suspect if built now it wouldn't be called Pudsey, being somewhat distant from the town centre.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 12, 2016 0:46:08 GMT
OK, so which joker decided West Finchley should be East of Finchley Central (and the town on Google maps), and sited East Finchley more South than East? Possibly the same joker who named stations north (and slightly west) and south (and slightly west) of Canterbury city centre as "West" and "East"!
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 13, 2016 9:32:42 GMT
Getting back to the original question, why isn't there a Lambeth South?
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Post by John Tuthill on Feb 13, 2016 11:25:07 GMT
Getting back to the original question, why isn't there a Lambeth South? I would presume that wherever 'South Lambeth Road' terminate, would that not be the case? Like wise, you have west & north Chelsea, but no east or south.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 13, 2016 14:09:54 GMT
There aren't any tube stations in Norwood or Streatham.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 15:42:44 GMT
Getting back to the original question, why isn't there a Lambeth South? There was South Lambeth goods yard.
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Post by pitdiver on Feb 13, 2016 17:42:19 GMT
To add more confusion when I worked at Westbourne Pk there was a plan to call it NORTH Kensington.I think this was to make it sound posher LOL.
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Post by pgb on Feb 14, 2016 10:16:05 GMT
Some examples would be Morden/Morden South or Aldgate/Aldgate East Then you have confusing situations like Wigan North Western , which is actually immediately to the south of the other station in the town.[/quote] That may be so, but to follow the thread then wouldn't it have been "Wigan North West" to indicate the position? In fact (and today's public probably wouldn't know or care) it stands for Wigan - LNWR station i.e. London and North Western Railway
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Post by countryman on Feb 14, 2016 10:24:29 GMT
I assume that places like East Acton, West Acton and North Acton are named as such because they are the names of the localities. In fact I live in East Acton until 1960. Then Lambeth probably doesn't have an area specifically named North Lambeth, so the station is named simply because it is in the north of the area. Interestingly (to me anyway)when writing about localities in London they refer to, say, 'Ealing, west London' rather than 'Ealing, West London'.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 14, 2016 20:46:09 GMT
There is also the issue that places will sometimes, perhaps even often, take on the name of the station so a new station in the west of the fictional Putware called West Putware could lead to the area around the station being known as "West Putware". This is particularly if if didn't have a previous identity, but sometimes e.g. a Grove Park district could become a North Urbanton after the name of a station.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 15, 2016 1:42:49 GMT
There is also the issue that places will sometimes, perhaps even often, take on the name of the station This is particularly if if didn't have a previous identity, but sometimes e.g. a Grove Park district could become a North Urbanton after the name of a station. See for example Llandudno Junction or Clapham Junction. As I have mentioned, the latter has become so well-established that the "Turning South London Orange" proposals include a "Clapham East", which, whilst indeed east of Clapham Junction, would be a long way west of Clapham proper.
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