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Post by snoggle on Nov 10, 2015 10:27:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 8:53:36 GMT
What about Freedom Pass users,there is never anything about FP with regards to a new service such as this and Stratford?
Did Dartford become part of Z8 recently? I heard someone talk about it at Charing X recently and I wasn't sure. |
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Post by mattdickinson on Dec 18, 2015 16:35:44 GMT
What about Freedom Pass users,there is never anything about FP with regards to a new service such as this and Stratford?
Did Dartford become part of Z8 recently? I heard someone talk about it at Charing X recently and I wasn't sure. It is very unlikely that Freedom Pass availability will extend any further outside Greater London. Dartford has been in Zone 8 for a few months. Oyster fares for stations to Gatwick Airport and the Gatwick Express are now shown on the 2016 fares tab of the TfL single fare finder. |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 18, 2015 17:07:16 GMT
What about Freedom Pass users,there is never anything about FP with regards to a new service such as this and Stratford?
Did Dartford become part of Z8 recently? I heard someone talk about it at Charing X recently and I wasn't sure. It is very unlikely that Freedom Pass availability will extend any further outside Greater London. Dartford has been in Zone 8 for a few months. Oyster fares for stations to Gatwick Airport and the Gatwick Express are now shown on the 2016 fares tab of the TfL single fare finder. And the daily / 7 day contactless caps for Gatwick et al have also emerged. (Only found courtesy of a prompt on another forum). content.tfl.gov.uk/national-rail-2016-adult-fares.pdf |
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Post by rail2210 on Dec 22, 2015 19:58:38 GMT
The TfL website now has a date for the oyster PAYG extension to Gatwick Airport, "Pay as you go to Gatwick coming soon From 11 January 2016, you will be able to use pay as you go between Merstham and Gatwick Airport and on Gatwick Express between Victoria and Gatwick Airport. More details will be available soon." From the page with all the other fare changes - link here tfl.gov.uk/campaign/new-fares?intcmp=34454 |
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Post by phil on Dec 24, 2015 22:22:35 GMT
Question is who is paying the cost of making the Oyster fares slightly cheaper than walk up paper tickets. HM Treasury / DfT have a track record of not liking Oyster (presumably because it has been such a success and they wished they had come up with the idea first) and have resisted any attempts to do anything that might affect the subsidy profiles of conventionally let franchises.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 3, 2016 17:13:56 GMT
London Travelwatch have tweeted some initial take up numbers from TfL for the use of Oyster and Contactless Payment Cards to and from Gatwick Airport.
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Post by domh245 on Mar 3, 2016 17:46:01 GMT
I am guessing that CPC means contactless payment card - in which case it doesn't show that much. It'd be interesting to see what these percentages are like for the rest of the network, and more importantly, the percentage of Oyster and Contactless vs paper tickets
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 3, 2016 22:24:56 GMT
But I thought that Oyster represented the most expensive way to pay fares between the airport and London!
I suppose though that the sheer convenience of changing trains at somewhere like Farringdon or Clapham Junction) when on through journeys from elsewhere in London makes people see using Oyster as being worth the price premium.
(By way of contrast, changing trains at Victoria is the least pleasant of the options... what with the crowds, steps etc)
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Post by londoner on Mar 4, 2016 22:28:59 GMT
But I thought that Oyster represented the most expensive way to pay fares between the airport and London! I suppose though that the sheer convenience of changing trains at somewhere like Farringdon or Clapham Junction) when on through journeys from elsewhere in London makes people see using Oyster as being worth the price premium. (By way of contrast, changing trains at Victoria is the least pleasant of the options... what with the crowds, steps etc) A lot of people assume Oyster is cheapest all the time. |
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Post by Chris M on Mar 4, 2016 23:20:52 GMT
A lot of people assume Oyster is cheapest all the time. To be fair to them there was massive publicity when they were introduced saying that Oyster was always the cheapest. There has been almost no publicity that this is no longer the case - some might say this is sneaky or underhand. |
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Post by stapler on Mar 5, 2016 8:22:42 GMT
In what sense is Oyster more expensive, LGW to LOndon?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 5, 2016 8:46:14 GMT
In what sense is Oyster more expensive, LGW to LOndon? In that you will end up paying more than a paper ticket if any of the following apply: - you are making a return journey (get a return ticket) - you are making other journeys in London on the same day (get a travelcard) - you are a child - you are changing at East Croydon (get a paper ticket to there - a "split") - you are travelling on a Thamlesink service off peak www.oyster-rail.org.uk/2016/01/oyster-at-gatwick/ |
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Post by stapler on Mar 5, 2016 15:05:05 GMT
Thanks NF - useful info
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Post by phil on Mar 7, 2016 3:17:33 GMT
But I thought that Oyster represented the most expensive way to pay fares between the airport and London! I suppose though that the sheer convenience of changing trains at somewhere like Farringdon or Clapham Junction) when on through journeys from elsewhere in London makes people see using Oyster as being worth the price premium. (By way of contrast, changing trains at Victoria is the least pleasant of the options... what with the crowds, steps etc) A lot of people assume Oyster is cheapest all the time. Oyster is the cheapest option provided that (1) The service in question is provided by TfL (i.e. The Underground / Overground / Busses / Tram / DLR OR (2) The journey is undertaken on a franchised operator within the traditional London fare zones 1-6 align fairly well with the GLA boundary. Oyster will not allways be the cheapest where it is offered on National rail services franchised by the DfT which extend beyond the GLA boundary. This is deliberate as extension of Oyster fares must not materially change the current National Rail fare structure or the revenue potential, and thus the returns to the Treasuary the franchising system provides. |
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