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Post by Towerman on Jun 8, 2005 0:06:08 GMT
Whats the strangest thing seen on LT/LUL tracks?I suppose the strangest one I ever saw was a single motor car of 62TS testing monoblock wheels in the late 60's or maybe early 70's.It even had a compressor fitted in the car with the inter-car hoses and jumpers blanked off.If I remember correctly it was car 1708 and ran between Hainault and Newbury Pk in engineering hours.Another one was one I rode on,a damaged 62TS UNDM between standard stock pilot motors from Hainault to Acton Works via Riuslip link in traffic hours and the punters still got up to get on as we approached stations and looked cheesed off when we didn't stop!
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Post by Colin on Jun 8, 2005 18:32:43 GMT
I'm sure i've seen a picture of a mainline diesel locomotive (possibly class 31?) in the farringdon area.
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Post by q8 on Jun 8, 2005 19:06:44 GMT
I'm sure i've seen a picture of a mainline diesel locomotive (possibly class 31?) in the farringdon area.
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Oh you probably have. Class 31's among others were often seen hauling freight to the Southern at Hither Green. Also passenger workings to Moorgate
Incidentally, concerning inter-region workings the ELL used to have regular and not infrequent STEAM hauled frieght trains from LS to Southern destinations. They were not condensing loco's either. In latter days some of the workings were Diesel hauled. A lot of the signals on the ELL in those days were co-acting for the benefit of the steamers
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Post by q8 on Jun 8, 2005 19:12:01 GMT
Strangest thing I ever saw on LT tracks was a Southern EMU on the viaduct approaching Putney Bridge (the actual bridge not the station) He'd done a "DD" and gone onto the District. Once he had done it he had no alternative but to draw forward until his back end was clear of the reversing Xover (now gone) north of the station. Then back towards home ground
Another oddity that I saw was one Sunday when they were testing a Cravens 4 car DMU on the DR all the way to Upminster. He passed me going east at Embankment and I saw him again westbound somewhere too. What the test was for I have no idea.
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Post by Towerman on Jun 9, 2005 0:17:19 GMT
Re main line stock on LUL tracks,until the link at Leyton was removed BR ran staff train DMU's from Stratford up the east end of the central(about 3a.m.)Until the 70's you could still see the yellow and black distant signals underneath the colour light signals.They looked like a standard LUL shunt signal apart from the different colours.
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Post by Mottza on Jun 9, 2005 7:58:04 GMT
I'm sure i've seen a picture of a mainline diesel locomotive (possibly class 31?) in the farringdon area. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh you probably have. Class 31's among others were often seen hauling freight to the Southern at Hither Green. Also passenger workings to Moorgate Incidentally, concerning inter-region workings the ELL used to have regular and not infrequent STEAM hauled frieght trains from LS to Southern destinations. They were not condensing loco's either. In latter days some of the workings were Diesel hauled. A lot of the signals on the ELL in those days were co-acting for the benefit of the steamers I'm confused as the connection to the GE near Liverpool Street was diconnected around c.1910ish. Or am I wrong? |
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Post by Harsig on Jun 9, 2005 12:14:07 GMT
I'm confused as the connection to the GE near Liverpool Street was diconnected around c.1910ish. Or am I wrong? From Traffic Circular No 14/1966 In operation for the week commencing Saturday 16th April 1966 A. Signalling And Track Alterations
A1. Taking Out Of Commission of East London Junction, Liverpool Street (E.R.)-Shoreditch (L.T.)On and from start of traffic on Monday 18th April, East London Junction - the junction between the East London Line and the Eastern Region line north of Shoreditch - will be taken out of commission and the points clipped, scotched and padlocked for through running on the Eastern region. At the same time the junction home signal from Shoreditch (L.T.) will be altered to display a fixed red aspect. |
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Post by mottza on Jun 9, 2005 14:30:20 GMT
I'm confused as the connection to the GE near Liverpool Street was diconnected around c.1910ish. Or am I wrong? From Traffic Circular No 14/1966 In operation for the week commencing Saturday 16th April 1966 A. Signalling And Track Alterations
A1. Taking Out Of Commission of East London Junction, Liverpool Street (E.R.)-Shoreditch (L.T.)On and from start of traffic on Monday 18th April, East London Junction - the junction between the East London Line and the Eastern Region line north of Shoreditch - will be taken out of commission and the points clipped, scotched and padlocked for through running on the Eastern region. At the same time the junction home signal from Shoreditch (L.T.) will be altered to display a fixed red aspect. OK I am wrong. You would of thought that they would of allowed the ELL to continue to LS. Would of made the line much better utilised. |
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Post by mottza on Jun 9, 2005 14:33:32 GMT
Strangest thing I ever saw on LT tracks was a Southern EMU on the viaduct approaching Putney Bridge (the actual bridge not the station) He'd done a "DD" and gone onto the District. Once he had done it he had no alternative but to draw forward until his back end was clear of the reversing Xover (now gone) north of the station. Then back towards home ground Another oddity that I saw was one Sunday when they were testing a Cravens 4 car DMU on the DR all the way to Upminster. He passed me going east at Embankment and I saw him again westbound somewhere too. What the test was for I have no idea. eh? a Diesel Multiple Unit? In tunnels? or do you mean a 1960 stock? |
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Post by russe on Jun 9, 2005 14:51:08 GMT
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Post by q8 on Jun 9, 2005 16:09:23 GMT
Diesel Multiple Unit? In tunnels? or do you mean a 1960 stock?
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No aproper BR Diesel 4 car multiple unit like those used out of Paddington and Marylebone. Stunk the bloody tunnels out with "fooms"
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Post by trainopd78 on Jun 9, 2005 16:17:01 GMT
Yup, it was definately a DMU.
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Post by Colin on Jun 9, 2005 18:24:25 GMT
Strangest thing I ever saw on LT tracks was a Southern EMU on the viaduct approaching Putney Bridge (the actual bridge not the station) He'd done a "DD" and gone onto the District. Once he had done it he had no alternative but to draw forward until his back end was clear of the reversing Xover (now gone) north of the station. Then back towards home ground. eh? a Diesel Multiple Unit? In tunnels? or do you mean a 1960 stock? There is only a short tunnel at East Putney which is made for main line trains to pass through. This section is otherwise all in the open air. |
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Post by trainopd78 on Jun 10, 2005 6:54:15 GMT
How about a DEMU at Parsons Green then? Just type in "Parsons green" onto the general search box at the top, hit go, and all will be revealed. LTM Photo's(Sorry, the site won't let me direct link to the picture) |
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Post by mottza on Jun 10, 2005 7:42:48 GMT
Yup, it was definately a DMU. I would of thought that it would not be allowed in the tunnel sections! Any one can shed any light on this? |
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Post by trainopd78 on Jun 10, 2005 16:21:16 GMT
Yup, it was definately a DMU. I would of thought that it would not be allowed in the tunnel sections! Any one can shed any light on this? They ran through the tunnel sections. One was a class 103 DMU photographed in 1986, which was a Laboratory train borrowed from Derby. I also remember a DMU track recording train in use before the 1960ts was converted being used on the East London Line and the subsurface lines. As they were only used occasionally, they were ok to use in the tunnels, esp as there are quite a few holes/ gaps in the roof for the fumes to escape. |
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Post by q8 on Jun 10, 2005 16:41:48 GMT
 My sighting of the DMU on the DR was in the early 1970's. As I say I don't know what the test was for but it had all sorts of bods and bigwigs on it. IIRC There was also a proposal a few years ago to run a railtour of a Southern 4EPB over underground tracks fitted with temporary negative shoegear. It obviously came to naught but I for one would have LOVED to have seen that. 
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Post by towerman on Jun 12, 2005 1:31:34 GMT
When I was at Stonebridge Pk there was a proposal to take back the line from Harrow to Watford from Silverlink and to save money restoring the neggy rail to convert some redundant 4 car 72mk1TS to third rail operation and run between Kilburn High Rd and Watford.When someone pointed out that they would still have to go to Stonebridge for maintenance and cleaning and Stonebridge was using the fourth rail system,nothing more was heard of this scheme.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2008 20:21:57 GMT
Back to East Putney and this time in 1997 or thereabouts. I was a Driver with EWS at the time and was booked on one of those wonderful engineers diagarms that we all used to love! In this case it involved a taxi to East Putney, sit on the EWS engineers train and work according to instruction. The only instruction I recieved was 'if we need you to set back, don't go as far as the bridge'. How I was supposed to see the bridge when I was a class 37 and three dozen 'sea urchins' away is anyones guess! The reason for babbling on is that, on that sunday morning, two engineers trains were sat in East Putney station. Mine with 37372 and an LT one with a battery loco each end. The LT one was on the BR side while I was in the District platforms. If someone would be so kind as to tell me how I'll scan the pictures in and attach them.
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Post by Oracle on Aug 30, 2008 21:45:20 GMT
If you know how to scan, and I am sure you do, send them to me by e mail and I'll post them for you. I do this on another forum that I am a Mod for, although you can do it yourself as well. Who's responsible for p/way now on the branch from the junction with the Putney Reversible to Wombledon? I assume it's LU property but I am out of touch! On another forum Geoff Smith has commented: There was a number of .... instances of Wimbledon - East Putney shuttles during engineering works between the latter and Fulham [sic] Bridge - pictures appeared in a recent LRR. It also happened during the Wimbledon Park open days on 5th and 6th May 1991.On 5th 4732 and 1559 worked Wimbledon(4) - Wimbledon Park - Clapham Junc services, the first of which 'called' at East Putney insofar as it was held waiting for 4 tin boxes to come off the Putney Reversible. 5001 and 319055 were on loop services from Wimbledon 9 and 10 via St.Helier, Sutton and Mitcham. The 4SUB had been booked to run with 2BIL - I have STN extracts if anyone wants them. This was a rare instance of passenger trains using platform 4 at Wimbledon - in three years of commuting to High Street I saw just two District trains use that platform. Which reminds me that I have seen underground stock in all ten platforms at Wimbledon (W&City and vec/tis in 5 thru 10)." |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2008 0:17:57 GMT
Can't help with concrete info regarding responsibility but I think I read that the engineering contract that GBRf signed with Metronet also included that part of the District line. The other amusing part of that few weekends of work back in the '90s is that, at the time, class 66s (bless 'em) hadn't been passed to work over the route. The only locos allowed at that time were class 33s, 73s and lightweight class 37s on the proviso that they did not have snowploughs or roof mounted horns. The work must have been in '99 or 2000 as the 33s had all gone by then. The first weekend saw Eastleigh depot running arround trying to find withdrawn 73s that would work as most of the 37s on shed were 'heavyweights'! A call went out and at least four 'Eds' were reinstated from scrap for the work!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2008 0:21:19 GMT
And, yes, I know 37372 had roof mounted horns. My excuse is that it was already on site when I booked on. Any old school railwayman will tell you that the first skill you learn is the ability to pass the buck and the first rule of railway work is to cover your own backside at all times!
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Post by ruislip on Aug 31, 2008 3:00:49 GMT
Back in 1973 I recall seeing what was possibly 1960 Cravens tube stock on the Met at Ruislip.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2008 23:38:47 GMT
Another incident involving the District line took place in my Guard days in the late 80s. We used to have a turn that involved a DEMU transfer between Eastleigh and Clapham on a Saturday. The trip didn't always run and seldom ran both ways but the incident occurred on Saturday when I was booked with a Driver to go 'pass' to Clapham to work a DEMU back to Eastleigh. We left Clapham and proceeded along the Windsor lines until Wandsworth Town. Here we took the 'feather' up the bank and joined the District line at East Putney for a run to Wimbledon from where we would rejoin the South Western main. We stopped at the home signal for a short while before the road cleared. I cannot remember what we had in the route indicator box but Arthur, my Driver, said 'That's not right, I'll have a word'. He then got off and rang the signalman. The signal went back to red and, after a minute or so changed to green with the route set for the down main.
'That was well spotted' I commented to Arthur. 'Not really' he replied, 'I had the same indication on this job last week but I took it and had to shunt out of the District platform!'.
A couple of days later I was in conversation with a fellow Guard when this one came up. It turned out that the Guard I was talking to was the one that Arthur had with him the week before. When I asked what had happened he replied that, once they realised their mistake they pulled into the platform far enough to clear the signal. When they changed ends to correct the mistake they looked over at the signalbox to see the signalman leaning out of the window wetting himself laughing! Back in those days a tale such as this would go as far some serious p*** taking in the messroom. Nowadays it would be medscreens, diciplinary and final warnings! Progress?
Update. It is my sad duty to report that the above mentioned Driver, Easteighs Arthur Jones, passed away in October. He was 81. Another one of lifes Gentlemen progresses to the Top Link.
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Post by Oracle on Sept 7, 2008 10:22:39 GMT
Would that have ben a Kenny Belle unit, transferred back for maintenance? These days it seems that DMUs moved from Eastleigh go via West Byfleet, Staines and then the Windsor Lines to Clapham in order to get to say the North Kent lines.
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Post by Oracle on Sept 7, 2008 10:30:14 GMT
Yes the DEMU with the Hastings power cars sandwiched the TRC coach when running up the Wimbledon Branch in BR days. This was mentioned in Underground News at the time with a photo of the train at Putney Bridge. BR also borrowed LT's TRC which was former standard stock converted to 3rd rail only, then taken to Wimbledon Park Depot by batteries, then eventually reversed in one of Wimbledon's platforms. It subsequently worked on the main line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2008 17:49:52 GMT
It wasn't the Kenny Belle. At that time South Eastern side DEMUs used to be booked into Eastleigh for periodical exams. Although the unit was usually waiting for us in the middle road between the Kenny platform and the Up Windsor Slow line it was not unknown for us to relieve the crew at Clapham. They were usually from Norwood Junction. The first time that my name appeared on the Drivers side of the roster was to pilot a Norwood man from Clapham to Eastleigh (via E Putney). This was my first rostered driving turn after qualifying as a 'passed man' on slam door electrics and the Norwood man couldn't get used to the fact that I couldn't stop grinning!
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Post by Oracle on Sept 7, 2008 19:25:11 GMT
Cheers! I know the line you mean. It seems to have parked locos on there at times. I remember my first official drive, of a diesel railcar on the North Norfolk Railway, August 1976. I loved it. After that the steam firing/driving course seemed an anti-climax. I only ever got to drive an AEC diesel shunter after that on the GWRPG's tracks at Southall.
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Post by bassmike on Sept 8, 2008 12:11:22 GMT
Re; East Putney, I attended one of Wimbledon depot's open days (cant rememberthe date) and had left my car in Keswick road east Putney (home of late lamented John Smith of Lens of Sutton) and traveled to Wim by rail. After the event they ran a train from there to Clapham junc: and back via East putney. On the return I did not really want to goall the way to Wim:again, so I asked the driver if he would let me off at East Putney to which he agreed and stopped at the overgrown and disused NR southbound platform from which I scurried down the remains of the stairs and through the part of the subway used for storing bikes etc: I wonder if any others have had occaision to use this platform ?
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Post by tubeprune on Sept 8, 2008 13:11:30 GMT
Another incident involving the District line took place in my Guard days in the late 80s. We used to have a turn that involved a DEMU transfer between Eastleigh and Clapham on a Saturday. The trip didn't always run and seldom ran both ways but the incident occurred on Saturday when I was booked with a Driver to go 'pass' to Clapham to work a DEMU back to Eastleigh. We left Clapham and proceeded along the Windsor lines until Wandsworth Town. Here we took the 'feather' up the bank and joined the District line at East Putney for a run to Wimbledon from where we would rejoin the South Western main. We stopped at the home signal for a short while before the road cleared. I cannot remember what we had in the route indicator box but Arthur, my Driver, said 'That's not right, I'll have a word'. He then got off and rang the signalman. The signal went back to red and, after a minute or so changed to green with the route set for the down main. 'That was well spotted' I commented to Arthur. 'Not really' he replied, 'I had the same indication on this job last week but I took it and had to shunt out of the District platform!'. A couple of days later I was in conversation with a fellow Guard when this one came up. It turned out that the Guard I was talking to was the one that Arthur had with him the week before. When I asked what had happened he replied that, once they realised their mistake they pulled into the platform far enough to clear the signal. When they changed ends to correct the mistake they looked over at the signalbox to see the signalman leaning out of the window wetting himself laughing! Back in those days a tale such as this would go as far some serious p*** taking in the messroom. Nowadays it would be medscreens, diciplinary and final warnings! Progress? I used to work on a railway like that too. Whatever happened to it? |
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My sighting of the DMU on the DR was in the early 1970's. As I say I don't know what the test was for but it had all sorts of bods and bigwigs on it.
