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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 15:19:47 GMT
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Post by sawb on Jan 12, 2015 17:45:31 GMT
I think you'll find the actual reason for the strike is not an issue of them wanting the same pay as tube drivers, far from it. Bus drivers want consistency for doing the same job. At present, you have several different pay grades depending on which company employs you. There's a map doing the rounds online showing some of the pay inconsistencies on major Central London routes.
So no, tomorrow is not about "same salaries as tube drivers" at all!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 12, 2015 17:51:22 GMT
Equal pay for equal work - is that really so hard to understand?
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Post by Tubeboy on Jan 12, 2015 17:53:16 GMT
Agree with Sawb, this is nothing to do with pay parity with tube drivers. What makes you think that?
I feel the bus drivers have a good argument, they should all be paid the same, regardless of which company they work for. TFL could easily moderate here, but have stuck their head in the sand. As they issue the contracts to the bus companies, surely they have some influence, as well as an interest to see the dispute settled?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 18:38:17 GMT
I think you'll find the actual reason for the strike is not an issue of them wanting the same pay as tube drivers, far from it. Bus drivers want consistency for doing the same job. At present, you have several different pay grades depending on which company employs you. There's a map doing the rounds online showing some of the pay inconsistencies on major Central London routes. So no, tomorrow is not about "same salaries as tube drivers" at all! Different train companies operating into London also pay slightly differently too? Whats the difference? Ultimately I've been told the aim is to equalise pay with tube drivers as it was in the 80s. This is the start. |
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 12, 2015 22:56:41 GMT
Some bus companies pay different rates to drivers on the same route (though not in London AFAIK). We had a member of this forum who is sadly no longer with us who worked as a bus driver in Lincolnshire where the same company had two garages sharing a route. One of those garages was in an area of high unemployment and the drivers were paid less than the drivers at the other garage.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 12, 2015 23:20:27 GMT
Lothian RT pay different rates to single deck drivers than they do to double deck drivers. (Both are nominal - as a single deck driver may drive a double decker, so long as he's on a single deck route! I believe the union wanted this abolished, it may have been since).
I wonder what the effect on the tube will be? Fewer passengers (because railhead services don't run) vs more passengers (because services are not running).
Perhaps passengers could be compensated using the money which will not be paid to the contractors when they fail to discharge their obligations to run buses?
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 13, 2015 0:11:24 GMT
...a single deck driver may drive a double decker, so long as he's on a single deck route... I'd like to think that perhaps this is the other way around? #BridgeBash |
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Post by Tubeboy on Jan 13, 2015 13:47:06 GMT
I found the tube at 0530 this morning noticeably busier. When I was at work, at a station on the edge of Central London, footfall was higher but not massively so, very few buses were going past, maybe 1 bus every 30-45 minutes on a road that has four routes. I think a lot of people have stayed at home.
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Post by Antje on Jan 13, 2015 16:47:50 GMT
 Source: Telegraph via TomTom software Yup, the strike certainly did its job. London's roads are literally a gridlock full of road rage that I never thought of before. |
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Post by Tubeboy on Jan 13, 2015 17:05:42 GMT
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 13, 2015 21:05:35 GMT
...a single deck driver may drive a double decker, so long as he's on a single deck route... I'd like to think that perhaps this is the other way around? #BridgeBash I hasten to point out that this is a route declared to be a single deck one as opposed to one limited by a bridge! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 21:45:25 GMT
Can you supply a source for this outrageous statement? I am nothing whatsoever to do with either London Buses, London Underground or any other part of Transport for London, but I find your statement immensely disrespectful and inappropriate. |
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 13, 2015 21:46:27 GMT
Would be interesting to see which companies operated those routes. From what I know of some routes Stagecoach seem to have very few buses running. |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 13, 2015 23:08:42 GMT
Can you supply a source for this outrageous statement? I am nothing whatsoever to do with either London Buses, London Underground or any other part of Transport for London, but I find your statement immensely disrespectful and inappropriate. It would not surprise me if the full job of driving a bus (including all the rules knowledge, interacting with passengers, etc) is indeed much harder than the act of shunting a tube train (not including the knowledge required to do the job of operating the train in passenger service). However that is not comparing like with like. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 23:38:44 GMT
Can you supply a source for this outrageous statement? I am nothing whatsoever to do with either London Buses, London Underground or any other part of Transport for London, but I find your statement immensely disrespectful and inappropriate. It was made by someone in a Facebook group. 'Bus driving is far more difficult than shunting a tube train and should be paid at least as much. Unite spend a lot of time and money with these ideas but deliver very little.' |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 14, 2015 1:49:22 GMT
This is not a bus forum - this forum is one for the supporters of London Underground. Driving a bus may be harder than shunting a tube train; this is not the place to discuss it though. Whilst monitoring and commenting on the Bus Strike <<particularly how it impacted LU>> was (just about) within the realm of the forum, we are now veering well outside of our scope. Thread locked.
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