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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 14:21:14 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Dec 26, 2014 14:53:40 GMT
Didn't think there were any services at all today. Also, I don't think it's possible to run from Euston to Stratford direct.
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Post by domh245 on Dec 26, 2014 17:06:08 GMT
It is possible to run from Euston to Stratford direct. There are 2 services a day that do so during the current blockade, but they are both ECS moves, so not in passenger service. During regular service, there are 4 but again they are ECS, so no passengers. Edit: Here is a snapshot of all the Euston to Stratford services on the 6th of January. If you click on any of the trains, you can see the particular route that they take. www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/EUS/to/SRA/2015/01/06/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 26, 2014 20:40:07 GMT
It is possible to run from Euston to Stratford direct. There are 2 services a day that do so during the current blockade, but they are both ECS moves, so not in passenger service. During regular service, there are 4 but again they are ECS, so no passengers. Edit: Here is a snapshot of all the Euston to Stratford services on the 6th of January. If you click on any of the trains, you can see the particular route that they take. www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/EUS/to/SRA/2015/01/06/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wttWould it reverse via Willeseden Junction low level ECS ? |
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Post by causton on Dec 26, 2014 21:58:31 GMT
To me the only direct services showing are Underground journeys, which show as direct as journey planners will just say "Take the Underground from Euston to Stratford" with vague timings, not actually working out how you would do it!
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Post by domh245 on Dec 26, 2014 22:44:51 GMT
Would it reverse via Willeseden Junction low level ECS ? Some have a short turn around at Queen's park, before running back to Camden before joining the NLL at Camden road. Others are in various goods loops, but by the looks of it, they prefer turning them around and running them through Camden junction. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 26, 2014 22:54:40 GMT
journey planners will just say "Take the Underground from Euston to Stratford" with vague timings, not actually working out how you would do it! The NR does this, but TfL's will give the changes |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 27, 2014 15:16:15 GMT
To me, if the train has to reverse en route, it is not a direct service as such. That is why I questioned it in my earlier post.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 27, 2014 17:21:21 GMT
There are plenty of direct services which reverse en route - Liskeard - Looe, Middlesbrough-Whitby, the Highland sleepers, any Birmingham-Bristol service calling at Gloucester, Reading-Newcastle.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 27, 2014 17:37:23 GMT
There are plenty of direct services which reverse en route - Liskeard - Looe, Middlesbrough-Whitby, the Highland sleepers, any Birmingham-Bristol service calling at Gloucester, Reading-Newcastle. Absolutely. But in my mind, a true direct service can only be done without any changes of be, reversing etc. That's just the way I've always pictured it. That's not to say you're wrong though. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 18:43:34 GMT
Didn't the District do something similar down at the old Hounslow Town for a while, with - at one point - trains able to run Osterley Park & Spring Grove - Hounslow Town (reverse) - Heston & Hounslow - Hounslow Barracks? Diagram |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 27, 2014 18:48:01 GMT
A few years ago there was a problem on the Central between Leytonstone and Woodford, so they were running trains from Central London to Epping via Hainault, with the train reversing in platform 2 at Woodford.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 18:57:46 GMT
There are plenty of direct services which reverse en route - Liskeard - Looe, Middlesbrough-Whitby, the Highland sleepers, any Birmingham-Bristol service calling at Gloucester, Reading-Newcastle. Absolutely. But in my mind, a true direct service can only be done without any changes of be, reversing etc. That's just the way I've always pictured it. That's not to say you're wrong though. Reading - Bourne End , Reading -Henley Plymouth - Gunnislake and Newquay-Penzance are some more services that also reverse on route. XF |
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Post by philthetube on Dec 27, 2014 20:33:59 GMT
Absolutely. But in my mind, a true direct service can only be done without any changes of be, reversing etc. That's just the way I've always pictured it. That's not to say you're wrong though. Reading - Bourne End , Reading -Henley Plymouth - Gunnislake and Newquay-Penzance are some more services that also reverse on route. XF Amersham/Chesham to Northwood during engineering works |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 27, 2014 22:00:01 GMT
Colchester to Walton on the Naze services reverse in Colchester Town station.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 27, 2014 22:14:43 GMT
Do any do that? Maidenhead- Marlow is a more frequent example. There is the odd Nottingham - Lincoln service which reverses twice to serve Newark Northgate [Amersham/Chesham to Northwood during engineering works Quite a few during engineering works - e.g Waterloo - Reading when diverted via Kingston |
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 28, 2014 11:15:53 GMT
All of the Calder valley services reverse at Bradford Interchange. There's also a service Selby, York «reverse», Bradford Interchange «reverse», Huddersfield «reverse», Wakefield Kirkgate «reverse», Wakefield Westgate.
Mind you, Selby to Wakefield is much quicker with a change in Leeds.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 13:25:55 GMT
Do any do that? Maidenhead- Marlow is a more frequent example. There is the odd Nottingham - Lincoln service which reverses twice to serve Newark Northgate [Amersham/Chesham to Northwood during engineering works Quite a few during engineering works - e.g Waterloo - Reading when diverted via Kingston Yes there is a service in the morning @ 07:45 it arrive from Reading at Platform 4 which waits for the 5 car through service from Boune End to Paddington to arrive at Plaform 5 and then it runs a few peak services on the Bourne End - Maidenhead shuttle that links with the Markow shuttle at Bourne End. Also of note this service is the last service on former WR to use phyical tokens for single line operation in the branch with local Marlow & Maidehead Railway Society lobbying for it to be retained after electrification. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 28, 2014 14:09:17 GMT
To me, if the train has to reverse en route, it is not a direct service as such. That is why I questioned it in my earlier post. I reversed twice yesterday on a direct route ST, once out of my drive on the way from Scunthorpe to Woodford Green and then a second time out of the old man's drive on the way back to Scunthorpe. A nice 350 mile interlude. Why? Network Rail and the great King's Cross adventure making my Dad's expensively purchased homeward journey next to impossible for a near 80 year old man. I absolutely see where you're coming from on the reversing but I'd be tempted to ignore anything that didn't involve me changing trains. Provided I stay sat down (or indeed stood up) in the same carriage the driver can go to whatever end he likes in the course of the journey as far as I'm concerned! :-) |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 28, 2014 14:38:31 GMT
To me, if the train has to reverse en route, it is not a direct service as such. That is why I questioned it in my earlier post. I reversed twice yesterday on a direct route ST, once out of my drive on the way from Scunthorpe to Woodford Green and then a second time out of the old man's drive on the way back to Scunthorpe. A nice 350 mile interlude. Why? Network Rail and the great King's Cross adventure making my Dad's expensively purchased homeward journey next to impossible for a near 80 year old man. I absolutely see where you're coming from on the reversing but I'd be tempted to ignore anything that didn't involve me changing trains. Provided I stay sat down (or indeed stood up) in the same carriage the driver can go to whatever end he likes in the course of the journey as far as I'm concerned! :-) Ah, but I bet you didn't change ends when you reversed! |
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Post by patstonuk on Jan 4, 2015 13:34:43 GMT
To me, if the train has to reverse en route, it is not a direct service as such. That is why I questioned it in my earlier post. I reversed twice yesterday on a direct route ST, once out of my drive on the way from Scunthorpe to Woodford Green and then a second time out of the old man's drive on the way back to Scunthorpe. A nice 350 mile interlude. Why? Network Rail and the great King's Cross adventure making my Dad's expensively purchased homeward journey next to impossible for a near 80 year old man. I absolutely see where you're coming from on the reversing but I'd be tempted to ignore anything that didn't involve me changing trains. Provided I stay sat down (or indeed stood up) in the same carriage the driver can go to whatever end he likes in the course of the journey as far as I'm concerned! :-) Agreed. On the National network routine reversals take place at Birmingham New St on such SW/NW services as now remain and reversals also feature heavily at Sheffield on East Midlands Trains services from East Anglia to Manchester/Liverpool. I'd regard all these as 'through' services as no change of train is involved. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 4, 2015 14:11:06 GMT
Agreed. On the National network routine reversals take place at Birmingham New St on such SW/NW services as now remain and reversals also feature heavily at Sheffield on East Midlands Trains services from East Anglia to Manchester/Liverpool. I'd regard all these as 'through' services as no change of train is involved. Norwich - Sheringham services reverse at Cromer. All services on the Bodmin & Wenford heritage line from Bodmin Parkway to Boscarne Junction reverse at Bodmin General The Euston-Edinburgh sleeper reverses at Carstairs The Euston-Ft William/ Inverness/Aberdeen sleeper reverses (and splits into three) at Edinburgh Ascot-Guildford services reverse at Aldershot Lincoln - Adwick services reverse at Sheffield All services via Bradford Interchange reverse there Manchester- Crewe services via Manchester Airport reverse there The direct services between north and south Wales reverse at Chester Nottingham - Birmingham services reverse at Derby Norwich- Birmingham services reverse at Ely |
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Post by wimblephil on Jan 4, 2015 15:46:13 GMT
Just to add to the list; all 'through' services at Eastbourne must reverse there.
South West Trains frequently reverse 'through' trains at places like Twickenham during times of engineering works, and just this weekend are routing it's London Waterloo - Shepperton service via Richmond and reversing at Kingston.
I would suggest there is a difference in a 'through route' as opposed to a 'through service'. I would agree a through route would consist of a direct path with no form of reversing required, but a through service would just require no changing of trains for passengers, regardless of a reversal requirement.
The TOC's should probably make it clearer en-route that a reversal will take place, as the worried look on many peoples faces when the train starts travelling in the 'wrong' direction can be quite significant!
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Post by Chris M on Jan 4, 2015 20:03:06 GMT
All services 'through' Carmarthen and Swansea must also reverse at those stations.
Cardiff-Portsmouth services reverse at Bristol Temple Meads.
Also services from Paddington to south Wales sometimes have to reverse at Bristol Parkway when there is engineering works. This means that on occasion a London-Pembroke Dock service has to reverse three times en-route - at Bristol Parkway, Swansea and Carmarthen.
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Post by lt on Jan 4, 2015 22:47:23 GMT
The Cross Country Trains services between Bournemouth/Southampton and Birmingham reverse at Reading, up to 2 trains an hour, some services then reverse again at Birmingham to continue onto their final destination.
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