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Post by A60stock on Nov 12, 2014 19:02:36 GMT
Possibly one of the largest stations in the UK
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 20:05:47 GMT
I guess because it's a very profitable station and the company want to keep it
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 12, 2014 21:07:22 GMT
Possibly one of the largest stations in the UK Depends on how you define large I guess! IIRC Clapham Jct is busy in terms of train movements but not passenger numbers, also it doesn't strike me as a station with lots of TOCs like some. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 12, 2014 21:59:10 GMT
it doesn't strike me as a station with lots of TOCs like some. Currently three - at one time there were five with Wales and West and Cross Country calling as well. Not that unusual: Redhill has three: so do Guildford, Lincoln, Exeter St Davids, Chester, Alnmouth, Arbroath, Chester le Street, and many others. York has four, Carlisle and Peterborough five. Doncaster has no less than seven! Given that many SWT trains don't call and most Southern trains do, no one operator has an overwhelming presence at CJ. The stations operated by NR tend to be big city centre stations, quite possibly originally chosen for the value of the retail space rather than any operational complexity. Here they are Birmingham New Street (4 operators) Cannon Street (1) Bristol Temple Meads (3) Charing Cross (1) Edinburgh Waverley (5) Euston (4) Glasgow Central (2) King's Cross (4) Leeds (4) London Bridge (3) Liverpool Lime Street (4) Liverpool Street (1) Manchester Piccadilly (4) Paddington (2) Reading (3) St Pancras International (4) Victoria (2) Waterloo (2) |
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 12, 2014 22:48:43 GMT
Here's what Wiki has to say, plus some figures. Clapham JunctionQuite revealing, really. I'm going to hazard a guess, partly from personal experience of using it in the last two years when on holiday, and partly from a gut feeling, that, as both SW & SE advertise the changes you can make there quite heavily, and as comparatively few trains terminate there, NR hasn't strictly got something to want to manage. I think, if you went back ten years or so, it was run-down and also confusing to casual passengers. The operating companies have sorted both of those things out quite well, so if it is satisfactory or better, that's another reason under the present set-up for NR to stay clear. |
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Post by wimblephil on Nov 13, 2014 3:17:37 GMT
it doesn't strike me as a station with lots of TOCs like some. Given that many SWT trains don't call and most Southern trains do, no one operator has an overwhelming presence at CJ. I think I would have to disagree with this, given that SWT do manage the station, it's (for want of a better word) 'branded' in their style with all their colours, signage etc. their services have a great presence on both sides of the 'split' (1-6 & 7-17) and they have a depot which fills that split, I think they do have a greater presence overall. As a regular Southern commuter from the south coast before moving to London, I could see CJ was not a Southern station... I think what we probably could agree though is that no one could mistake it as a London Overground station! |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 13, 2014 13:39:58 GMT
given that SWT do manage the station, it's (for want of a better word) 'branded' in their style with all their colours, signage etc. .............. I think they do have a greater presence overall. Indeed the branding is predominantly SWT, but by "overwhelming" I meant in terms of actual services run. The number of Southern and Overground departures is a significant proportion of the total (unlike, for example, Cross Country's presence at Guildford or SWT's at Westbury). There are, of course, peculiarities like Burton-on-Trent, run by East Midland but only served by Cross Country trains. |
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Post by longhedge on Nov 13, 2014 16:58:24 GMT
Possibly one of the largest stations in the UK Depends on how you define large I guess! IIRC Clapham Jct is busy in terms of train movements but not passenger numbers, also it doesn't strike me as a station with lots of TOCs like some. Clapham Junction is hardly a quiet station re passenger numbers, namely 24 million + a similar amount for interchanges. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 13, 2014 17:46:37 GMT
IIRC Clapham Jct is busy in terms of train movements but not passenger numbers, Clapham Junction's and Birmingham New Street's rival claims to be Britains' busiest station depend on whether you count trains that run through non-stop, of which CJ has a lot and BNS has none at all. I would have thought that if you count tube stations, somewhere like Kings Cross with ten platforms each carrying over 20 tph (so 200 in total) must also come close. |
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 13, 2014 17:53:49 GMT
From the Wiki article I put up, the figures are:
2012–13
Increase to 23.623 million
— interchange
Increase to 23.334 million
So, the vast majority of passengers using the actual station to get on or off trains are changing trains.
It also said that interchange is 40% of the total number of passengers passing through the station on trains.
400,000+ passengers on the platforms each week, 50,000+ a day.
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Post by longhedge on Nov 13, 2014 20:24:42 GMT
Although not all trains stop at Clapham Junction, a good proportion do, especially outside the peak hours. This has been my local station for over 50 years, and a lot more long distance trains now stop than, say, in the 1970s. Probably Clapham Junction`s chief claim to fame is that it is by far the busiest interchange station, namely over 23 million per year - the second nearest, Waterloo, has under 10 million. and it is the only station where 12 trains can pass through at speed in the country, as it has 12 parallel running lines (excluding carriage sidings, access to Clapham Yard etc.
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