towerman
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Post by towerman on Jan 31, 2014 14:08:08 GMT
With the current committee looking at airport expansion what do you think will happen to the Heathrow branch if they decide to downgrade Heathrow or close it altogether and build a new airport on Boris Island?
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Post by sawb on Jan 31, 2014 15:24:36 GMT
This is surely in RIPAS territory?
First of all it will take a very sudden change of heart from the committee to bring the Estuary airport back into the equation. I would be surprised if Heathrow was ever to close completely. I suspect a more likely scenario would be to retain part of it for use by private jets and/or as a maintenance base for aircraft, like Southend before easyjet moved in!
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Post by orienteer on Jan 31, 2014 17:57:39 GMT
The vision is to turn it into a housing and business estate, so the branch would be very beneficial.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 12:01:28 GMT
Heathrow won't close and it won't be downgraded, there are too many jobs that depend on it. Apart from those that actually work there you also have the businesses that depend on it and those that have located near to it simply because it is London's main airport, we talking well in excess of 100k, possibly closer to 200k.
The first thing the commission will recommend is using the other airports to full capacity, I think I read that Gatwick is at 80% while Stansted and Luton are only around 50%. Rail-links to those airports will be improved and eventually an extra runway will be added an either Gatwick or Stansted or possibly both. Heathrow will remain the main airport but it will have to farm out some of its less lucrative flights if it wants to get other in.
Boris Island is a joke, pretty much like the man who thought it up.
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Post by class411 on Feb 1, 2014 17:31:38 GMT
Boris Island is a joke, pretty much like the man who thought it up. Boris didn't think it up. People have been mooting the possibility for may, many, years.
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Post by jimjams on Feb 1, 2014 22:40:51 GMT
Not so much of a joke if you live under the glide path from Westminster to Heathrow for planes landing from the East (polluting the air with noise and exhaust fumes) every 2.5mins I'm sure you would think Boris had a good idea for planes to come in over water in the Thames estuary, and maybe connect Cross Rail or Euro Star in to the new terminal, if this could be feasible.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Feb 1, 2014 22:48:35 GMT
Heathrow won't close and it won't be downgraded, there are too many jobs that depend on it. Apart from those that actually work there you also have the businesses that depend on it and those that have located near to it simply because it is London's main airport, we talking well in excess of 100k, possibly closer to 200k. The first thing the commission will recommend is using the other airports to full capacity, I think I read that Gatwick is at 80% while Stansted and Luton are only around 50%. Rail-links to those airports will be improved and eventually an extra runway will be added an either Gatwick or Stansted or possibly both. Heathrow will remain the main airport but it will have to farm out some of its less lucrative flights if it wants to get other in. Strongly agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 1:43:53 GMT
Boris didn't think it up. People have been mooting the possibility for may, many, years. And it's been rejected for many, many years for a very good reason Not so much of a joke if you live under the glide path from Westminster to Heathrow for planes landing from the East (polluting the air with noise and exhaust fumes) every 2.5mins I'm sure you would think Boris had a good idea for planes to come in over water in the Thames estuary, and maybe connect Cross Rail or Euro Star in to the new terminal, if this could be feasible. Not so much a joke for the 70k people who live in and around West London and work at Heathrow and the 10s of thousands more who work for businesses who depend on London's main airport being there. They'd have to build a city the size of Leicester in Kent, its an utter fantasy but then when has that ever stopped Boris? Or the morons who think this is a reasonable idea?
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Post by Ben on Feb 2, 2014 2:10:02 GMT
Do you think the Heathrow villages will still be existant in twenty years time, say?
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Post by metrailway on Feb 2, 2014 2:28:51 GMT
Heathrow expansion should have happened decades ago but the only reason it hasn't happened is because of the large swath of marginal constituencies near Heathrow.
Ironically, from what I have read, most of the locals near Gatwick actually want another runway at Gatwick!
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Post by castlebar on Feb 2, 2014 7:05:09 GMT
Aslefshrugged + 1
The question is flawed with "If", because it will never close
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 11:39:19 GMT
Plus Heathrow is not the only set of station on that line . I'm sure the good people of Hounslow will still want good links into central London.
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Post by revupminster on Feb 2, 2014 12:23:02 GMT
Boris Island includes extending Crossrail from Abbey Wood. Javelins from St Pancras diverted to the Island. The separately proposed new road, route C, from the M25 to the M2 crossing the Thames at Tilbury would have a branch into the airport. Alongside this branch would be a new freight rail route from the airport crossing the river and picking up the freight lines from the deep sea container port at Corringham then following route C and then alongside the M25 to head north to the existing main lines.
But too many vested interests in the existing airports.
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Post by roythebus on Feb 3, 2014 9:56:48 GMT
Too many Foreign vested interests in the existing airports.
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Post by jacko1 on Feb 9, 2014 22:07:03 GMT
Boris Island is a joke, pretty much like the man who thought it up. Boris didn't think it up. People have been mooting the possibility for may, many, years. what i can not understand is what authority has boris,the mayor of london,have in the say of a estury airport located in kent/essex? he surly can only give his view/wish,but would not,i thought overule other councils?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 1:08:26 GMT
Heathrow won't close and it won't be downgraded, there are too many jobs that depend on it. Apart from those that actually work there you also have the businesses that depend on it and those that have located near to it simply because it is London's main airport, we talking well in excess of 100k, possibly closer to 200k. The first thing the commission will recommend is using the other airports to full capacity, I think I read that Gatwick is at 80% while Stansted and Luton are only around 50%. Rail-links to those airports will be improved and eventually an extra runway will be added an either Gatwick or Stansted or possibly both. Heathrow will remain the main airport but it will have to farm out some of its less lucrative flights if it wants to get other in. Boris Island is a joke, pretty much like the man who thought it up. I agree- I'd hate for Heathrow to close. Fortunately it almost certainly NEVER will- unless flying is banned due to achieve even more CO2 emission reductions! Expanding Manston airport for example would be much more feasible than Boris Island lol!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 5:32:54 GMT
I agree- I'd hate for Heathrow to close. Fortunately it almost certainly NEVER will- unless flying is banned due to achieve even more CO2 emission reductions! Expanding Manston airport for example would be much more feasible than Boris Island lol! Manston is 75 miles from London, about twice as far as Stansted. Gatwick, Stansted and Luton are all working under capacity and would be better suited for expansion when necessary.
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Post by class411 on Apr 6, 2014 7:39:53 GMT
Boris didn't think it up. People have been mooting the possibility for may, many, years. what i can not understand is what authority has boris,the mayor of london,have in the say of a estury airport located in kent/essex? he surly can only give his view/wish,but would not,i thought overule other councils? Indeed. As I said earlier, people have been mooting this possibility for decades. (Anyone remember Maplin Sands?) Boris merely repeated a well known proposal. But it just takes one ignorant person to label it 'Boris Island' and everyone else follows like sheep, even if they are old enough to remember some or all of the previous incarnations of this idea.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 6, 2014 10:46:09 GMT
what i can not understand is what authority has boris,the mayor of london,have in the say of a estuary airport located in kent/essex? he surly can only give his view/wish,but would not,i thought overule other councils? It is quite possible for one local authority to own property in another's area - look at the LCC's Becontree and St Helier estates, not to mention Beckton sewage works, in what were then still the Home Counties, or Surrey County Council's offices in the London Borough of Kingston. (Conversely, at least one state school in the LB Kingston has playing fields in Elmbridge). London Transport, both under GLC and GLA ownership, has owned significant property in the Home Counties: Potters Bar Garage, for example, or (for one where it has recently required planning permission), the Croxley Link. Owning property is not the same as getting planning permission for it. In any case, how far from shore does the planning authorities' jurisdiction extend?
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Post by revupminster on Apr 6, 2014 11:07:19 GMT
Newham Council owned the Mungo Park estate in Havering and a big estate in Brentwood both were transferred 20 years ago? to the local authorities. I am sure the business rate income from Boris Island would interest Kent County Council. The Deep Sea container port opposite Boris Island, in Essex, also benefit from better rail links.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 22:27:46 GMT
I agree- I'd hate for Heathrow to close. Fortunately it almost certainly NEVER will- unless flying is banned due to achieve even more CO2 emission reductions! Expanding Manston airport for example would be much more feasible than Boris Island lol! Manston is 75 miles from London, about twice as far as Stansted. Gatwick, Stansted and Luton are all working under capacity and would be better suited for expansion when necessary I was saying that expanding Manston is much more feasible and cheaper than 'Boris Island' and of course would avoid the risk of disturbing an unexploded bomb! Howevee I wasn't saying that it was a good option either!
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Post by phillw48 on Apr 8, 2014 22:40:15 GMT
Manston was the most bombed part of England during WW2, but you are very unlikely to get as big a bang as the Richard Montgomery.
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Post by neilw on Apr 9, 2014 8:24:52 GMT
I remember Maplin Sands, ISTR it was to be connected to central London by high-speed monorail, which interested me at the time.....
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