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Post by Hutch on Jun 24, 2013 12:50:13 GMT
Just re-reading J Graeme Bruce’s classic “Steam to Silver” (LTE, 1970) – BTW, is Graeme his second given name and Bruce his family name, or is he of the double-barrelled Graeme Bruce family?
Anyhow, on page 100 (photo 90) there is a four-car set of MW stock leaving Wembley Park southbound with “... the original No. 6 platform for Wembley Stadium traffic on the extreme left, south of the present station.”
I have just looked on Google maps and it is unclear if the platform is still there. Is it? Can someone please tell me when it ceased to be used? Many thanks.
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Post by railtechnician on Jun 24, 2013 16:25:12 GMT
Just re-reading J Graeme Bruce’s classic “Steam to Silver” (LTE, 1970) – BTW, is Graeme his second given name and Bruce his family name, or is he of the double-barrelled Graeme Bruce family? Anyhow, on page 100 (photo 90) there is a four-car set of MW stock leaving Wembley Park southbound with “... the original No. 6 platform for Wembley Stadium traffic on the extreme left, south of the present station.” I have just looked on Google maps and it is unclear if the platform is still there. Is it? Can someone please tell me when it ceased to be used? Many thanks. Of course it is still there and clearly shown on the Google Maps satellite image, note the overbridges and particularly the ticket hall overbridge with four clear staircases down to the single platforms 1 and 6 and the two island platforms 2/3 and 4/5. |
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Post by metman on Jun 24, 2013 17:15:46 GMT
To answer your question Graeme was his middle name. I never met the man but there are many who did and I can only guess he preferred to be called by this name rather than his first name.
The exhibition platform is no longer in place. One of the two terminal platforms was removed in 1931 and the other in 1937 to allow Wembley to be enlarged for the extension of the Bakerloo Line.
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Post by Hutch on Jun 24, 2013 19:20:32 GMT
Railtech, You misunderstand me. I (and J Graeme Bruce) said south of the exisiting station - in reality looking at Google maps - more like to the ESE. Even forgiving a senior moment, I understand that the current Platform 6 is still there and visible on Google maps!!  Metman, Many thanks. I don't think it was a terminal platform by the look of it but I could be mistaken so I am somewhat confussed, please see below. For the purposes of scholarly study, the following extract from "Steam to Silver" is reproduced below so as to remove any possible ambiguity as to my original enquiry ...  |
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Post by Chris M on Jun 24, 2013 19:36:29 GMT
what's the date of that photo?
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Post by Hutch on Jun 24, 2013 19:45:28 GMT
The book doesn't say unfortunately.
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Post by railtechnician on Jun 24, 2013 19:50:10 GMT
Hutch,
Yep I did misunderstand you! Mind you now being able to see the image is confusing. the only way it makes sense to me is if the train is moving Southbound towards Neasden to the right of the image. Seems odd to have built the whole station except one platform on the same side of Bridge Road. Presumably the idea was to keep much of the the foot traffic for the stadium from having to cross the road.
Am I right in thinking that Wembley Park New Works depot behind the BTP police station and platform 6 has now moved? The area looks much tidier 9 years since I last worked there. There would now seem to be a new staff access road and staircase to the overbridge and platform 6. The old route was through the car park past the old New Works depot, through the fence, footpath and a stile over the cable run to platform 6 to reach the now demolished rolling stock shed, IMR and Jubilee line signal maintenance staff depot.
It looks as though the footpath and stile (with steps either side) is still there !
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Post by Harsig on Jun 24, 2013 20:29:32 GMT
Hutch, Yep I did misunderstand you! Mind you now being able to see the image is confusing. the only way it makes sense to me is if the train is moving Southbound towards Neasden to the right of the image. Seems odd to have built the whole station except one platform on the same side of Bridge Road. Presumably the idea was to keep much of the the foot traffic for the stadium from having to cross the road. The train is, as you suspect, heading south towards Neasden to the right of the image. I suspect that the reason the two exhibition' platforms were built south of the road bridge was simply to avoid the expense of widening the road bridge to accommodate extra tracks. The 'exhibition' platforms (Nos. 5 & 6) were provided in 1923 and were terminal platforms accessible only from the south. They had their own separate entrance building on the opposite side of the road with no direct connection to the rest of the station. Subsequently, in connection with the construction of the Stanmore branch a new through platform (No 5) was provided as part of the main station and this entailed the removal of the exhibition station platform 5, leaving just the platform shown in the photo above. The arrangements after the opening of the Stanmore line are as shown in this diagram www.harsig.org/PDF/Met1933.pdf You'll have to zoom in to see the detail. The photo above is almost certainly this one on the LT Museum Website and is thus dated 1933. LT MuseumThis platform succumbed as part of the general reorganisation of tracks between Finchley Road and Wembley in preparation for the extension of Bakerloo Line services to Stanmore. A new platform 6 was provided as part of the existing station, but interestingly it was still only usable by passenger trains from the south (or entering service from Wembley Park Sheds) until further track alterations in 1954. |
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Post by Hutch on Jun 25, 2013 20:28:21 GMT
Many thanks all,
Not only one of Harsig's wonderful diagrams to assist the afflicted, but a date on the photograph as well!
Thanks too to Metman, your dates of decomissionings, and the information regarding terminal platforms, now make sense to me.
Cheers all,
Hutch
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Post by Harsig on Jun 26, 2013 9:58:34 GMT
And here is another diagram showing the arrangements in 1924, when both platforms were south of the road bridge. Wembley Park 1924Interestingly at that time they were shown as an island platform, so one wonders exactly what was done when one of the platforms was moved north of the road: Was it the original platform 6 that was taken out of use and the original platform 5 renumbered platform 6, or was the platform south of the road completely rebuilt? |
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Post by maxym on Jul 1, 2013 20:59:29 GMT
Brilliant track diagrams! Very interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 23:57:37 GMT
There's a 1935 1:2500 map here- put in coordinates 519378 & 186338, select & zoom. But unfortunately nothing between that and 1920. The impression I get is that a new platform 6 was built the other side of its track, with the old island platform and platform 5 road being removed as part of the Met's Stanmore branch construction work. |
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