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Post by stevo on Mar 9, 2013 14:41:37 GMT
I won't post the video in case Mods object to music videos. However, I just wondered if the train sounds at the beginning and end of the song are 38TS or 59TS.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 9, 2013 15:10:51 GMT
Definitely not 59 stock. Might even have been Standard stock.
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Post by metman on Mar 9, 2013 20:38:39 GMT
I recon it is standard stock. That compressor sounds like a big old slow reciprocating compressor. Perhaps a BTH CP30 or Westinghouse type? The motors don't sound like LT1XX type either. What a find though!
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Post by Phil on Mar 10, 2013 10:14:33 GMT
What a puzzle! I'm not sure it's standard stock (compressors) at all.
My gut feeling is that, as per always, the producers weren't all that fussy which train type they used - after all "they're only tubes aren't they?" In which case (being of an age to remember them, and having used the Picc every day in the mid-to-late 50s and on from that) my conclusion is that the compressors are from surface stock, probably not R, but more likely O,P or (most likely) Q stock.
To me,that's the only one that makes sense of my, by now somewhat old, sound memories of LT.
I hope that reganorak or tubeprune will be along in a while to confirm or deny.
EDIT - should have said that it definitely ain't 38ts, 59ts (or anything later!), and the reason I don't think it's standard stock is that the compressors on those had a far sharper 'reciprocating' noise, and a slower 'beat' unlike what we were hearing on the clip, these sounding almost more 'rotary' in the smoothness of their noise.
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Post by metman on Mar 10, 2013 11:57:12 GMT
Well if you remember them Phil, you're more qualified to talk about it! I agree that it's not R stock as there isn't the whine of the MAs. It could be Q stock. I've been listening again to the recording to try and work out the distribution of motors. Q stock motors were only provided on the leading bogie of each motor car. CO/CP stock had most of its bogies with a motor, (except trailers) and would produce a more even motor noise as the train departs. So far, I'm learning towards CO/CP stock.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 10, 2013 12:16:17 GMT
I've worked on a few Stocks in my time, in my view it is niether CO/CP, R, '38, '59 - so my guess would be Standard.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 10, 2013 17:33:12 GMT
It also reminds me of the old 1940 Waterloo and City stock.
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Post by stevo on Mar 10, 2013 21:09:49 GMT
If it helps, I've now discovered that the song was released in 1957 - the first of seven singles on the Parlophone label before switching to Pye's Piccadilly label in 1962.
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Post by 1018509 on Mar 11, 2013 1:01:11 GMT
Oh blimey this makes me feel so very old. I used to own this record (err ...... 50 years ago ) as a 78rpm single and had forgotten about it. For some reason my memory was telling me that it was a parody of "Cumberland Gap", clearly it isn't but I am sure it is a parody of a song from the same era. Any ideas?
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Post by slugabed on Mar 11, 2013 1:46:26 GMT
"Rock Island Line" by Lonnie Donegan,I think...
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Post by brigham on Mar 11, 2013 16:55:43 GMT
That's almost certainly a George Martin production. The sound effects are probably from the Abbey Road library. Anybody able to enquire?
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Post by 1018509 on Mar 12, 2013 17:28:53 GMT
"Rock Island Line" by Lonnie Donegan,I think... That's the song I was trying to think of. They don't write them like that any more. Hehehe! A good thing perhaps!
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Post by phillw48 on Mar 12, 2013 19:45:04 GMT
No points for answering this question. The Rock Island Line did exist but was closed about the same time as Lonnie Donegan's hit. The question is 'Where was the Rock Island Line?'
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Post by slugabed on Mar 12, 2013 20:05:45 GMT
With the usual Wiki-caveat... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago,_Rock_Island_and_Pacific_Railroad From the Wiki page "Rock Island Line (song)": The song is based on the name of the Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad, which operated an extensive network across the central states of the USA, Chicago to Omaha, Nebraska, Chicago to Texas, and reached Minneapolis, Minnesota, Memphis, Tennessee, and other points. Contrary to the song, although a minor route penetrated northern Louisiana, it did not reach New Orleans. Like a number of railroads based in Chicago with lengthy formal names, it was generally known by a shortened nickname, the "Rock Island", which name was painted on the locomotives and elsewhere. Rock Island is a small town on the Illinois shore of the Mississippi River, and the initial rail route connected it across the state to Chicago. The railroad's ambition, from its name, to reach the Pacific was never even remotely attained. The Rock Island was a rail pioneer from the 1850s, and was long known for carrying on through financial adversity challenging better-structured rival companies in its territory. It finally went out of business in 1980. Some of its former routes were purchased and are now run by other rail companies.
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Post by phillw48 on Mar 12, 2013 21:22:55 GMT
I'm afraid slugabed that you have the wrong Rock Island Line. It is in the Americas and another clue is in the title. I am asking for the one in the song.
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Post by 1018509 on Mar 12, 2013 21:47:47 GMT
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Post by slugabed on Mar 12, 2013 22:36:32 GMT
Better edit Wiki then,Phil....all references I've found are to the CRI&P....The song talks about going to New Orleans (which the CRI&P apparently never did,though it DID reach Louisiana)....Rock Island is in Illinois and the song was first recorded in Arkansas (which certainly WAS served by the CRI&P) in 1934 which seems to confirm its US Midwest origin....if you know something different....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 12:42:07 GMT
Going back to the original track, the compressor must surely be Standard Stock.
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Post by metman on Mar 24, 2013 12:46:47 GMT
Which compressors did they use? CP30s?
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Post by 1018509 on Mar 30, 2013 14:43:23 GMT
Going back to the original track, the compressor must surely be Standard Stock. Why? A record company produced what they hoped would be a popular song not a rolling stock manual. The compressor sound is just that a compressor sound.
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Post by metman on Mar 30, 2013 15:01:55 GMT
Not all compressors sound the same......
If that is the case, do you think that the record company would specially put in the sound of a compressor?
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Post by 1018509 on Apr 8, 2013 22:29:58 GMT
Not all compressors sound the same...... If that is the case, do you think that the record company would specially put in the sound of a compressor? No I think the record company put in the sound that sounds similar to the noise trains make when they stop, call it a sort of ticking noise, and then sent out a gopher to record trains at a local station.
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Post by metman on Apr 9, 2013 17:49:58 GMT
Perhaps. We will probably never know....
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