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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 11:31:12 GMT
Someone mentioned in the 'Cammel Laird'thread that the M A output on 1960 stock was at a frequency of 850 Hz.Does anyone know why this was so high ?, I can only think it had something to do with the fluorescent lighting.Also, was the battery charging current taken from this (rectified) or from a separate DC winding on the machine ?.If the M A ran at 3000 rev/min that would mean the AC side would be a 34 pole machine which would be enormous,any ideas on the running speed of these machines ?.Just curious and thanks in advance for any answers.
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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 2, 2013 13:06:40 GMT
It'd take a wee while for this poor theologian to do the maths, but I suspect it is something to do with avoiding resonant frequencies and harmonics with the autosignalling feeds on the Hainault loop.
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Post by Ben on Mar 2, 2013 16:24:06 GMT
The 50VDC was obtained from a seperate winding on the transformer and fed a Germanium bridge rectifier.
I've read somewhere that the 850Hz was chosen to avoid signalling interferance, but I'm having trouble locating a source atm.
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Post by Ben on Mar 2, 2013 16:32:05 GMT
The 850Hz became something of a 'standard', did it not? Is it still the same frequency today?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 12:12:07 GMT
I believe it is hence the whine you hear when its running
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Post by neilw on Mar 3, 2013 14:10:10 GMT
When I was doing the research into getting my 62 TS car lights to work from the mains, I was told by the late Bob Greenaway that the engineers at Acton took an existing DC/DC machine and rewound the driven end with AC coils to produce a motor/alternator. 850Hz just happend to be the resulting frquency, so that' s what was used. The strip lights don't care about frequency or voltage, providing that the right values are used in the ballast/choke circuits. I retrofitted mine with ballast/chokes salvaged from domestic light fittings, and the original strip lights work fine at 230V 50Hz. The only catch is to make sure the ballast/chokes are appropriate for the length of tube, so they are different between the car lights and those for the destination blind, etc. Ben is correct in that the 50V DC is a rectified supply stepped down from the 110V via a transformer. On mine I replaced the original (clapped out and heavy!) lead acid batteries with four 12V "leisure" batteries in series, each with its own charger to keep it topped up. ( a leisure battery is what is used in golf buggies, mobility scooters etc, has the ability go totally flat and still recover, unlike most car batteries). I think that at least a part of the whine is the 850HZ, which would put it just sharp of 5G# for the musically minded amongst you (says the drummer!)
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Post by neilw on Mar 3, 2013 14:20:22 GMT
BTW, not sure of the speed, but 3,000 rpm sounds a bit fast to me. I'm sure I've got the info somewhere, but it might take a day or two to find it........
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