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Post by orienteer on Jan 26, 2013 11:43:38 GMT
The Uxbridge/Rayners Lane section was supposed to be closed for engineering works this weekend. Surprised to find a 15 min service between Uxbridge and Harrow on the Hill this morning due to works cancellation. Meanwhile the replacement buses are also running.
Any knowledge of what caused the cancellation?
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Post by cso on Jan 26, 2013 11:54:09 GMT
I did notice that it was a 15 minute service, but it is finishing early and starting later.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 14:53:38 GMT
Yes - we are booked to run the buses on both days. Tomorrow we are doing Rayners – Uxbridge (not Acton Town – Uxbridge). Buses are prepared to be extended to Harrow as and when LUL ask us too. The buses are carrying passengers between Rayners & Uxbridge– abet in small numbers.
No idea why the trains are running though. But perhaps the Engineering Work has been cancelled and trains are running by local arrangement?
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Post by DWS on Jan 26, 2013 15:19:08 GMT
Could be the scope of work has been cut back, so that Monday morning service is not mucked up, like it was after overrunning engineering work as happened after last weekends work on the Met Line ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 16:04:39 GMT
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Post by rsdworker on Jan 26, 2013 20:14:38 GMT
quote from TFL service update
Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January, no service between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge. Rail replacement buses operate. A limited train service runs between Harrow-on-the-Hill and Uxbridge.
Saturday
Trains will run between 07.15 and 23.45
Trains will leave Uxbridge at 00, 15, 30 and 45 minutes past the hour.
Trains will leave Harrow on the Hill at 00, 15, 30 and 45 minutes past the hour.
Sunday
Trains will run between 08.15 and 24.00
Trains will leave Uxbridge at 00, 15, 30 and 45 minutes past the hour.
Trains will leave Harrow on the Hill at 00, 15, 30 and 45 minutes past the hour.
so i have feeling that single tracking is in operation
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 21:47:12 GMT
No "single tracking". Normal double line working.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 22:44:06 GMT
From Friday's Metro Travel News,Brought to you by Transport for London.
'All weekend:No service between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge owing to track replacement work.'
Then details of the replacement bus service stops.
No mention of the limited rail service.
So it would appear that after Thursday when that page was presumably prepared the plan changed.
Andy
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Post by rsdworker on Jan 27, 2013 8:13:40 GMT
From Friday's Metro Travel News,Brought to you by Transport for London. 'All weekend:No service between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge owing to track replacement work.' Then details of the replacement bus service stops. No mention of the limited rail service. So it would appear that after Thursday when that page was presumably prepared the plan changed. Andy i believe that also appeared on TFL website as well see my post which shows its was suspended but its also running also piccalilliy line currently suspended on same section (no longer closed from rangers lane to acton town today) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 15:46:43 GMT
Sunday's service - Shuttle from Uxbridge to Harrow (reverse platform 6) every 15 mins, service from Harrow to Baker St every 15 mins (the pre cancellation service I presume) and the rail replacement bus service is still running from Rayners Lane to Uxbridge - probably completely empty. All Piccadilly line trains reversing at Rayners Lane.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 16:53:58 GMT
Almost empty - but not quite  |
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Post by Ben on Jan 27, 2013 18:31:41 GMT
None of this seems very cost effective...
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Post by rsdworker on Jan 27, 2013 18:37:41 GMT
i agree - its better if they cancelled bus first then trains should be normal
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 19:15:56 GMT
Yes - we are booked to run the buses on both days. Tomorrow we are doing Rayners – Uxbridge (not Acton Town – Uxbridge). Buses are prepared to be extended to Harrow as and when LUL ask us too. The buses are carrying passengers between Rayners & Uxbridge– abet in small numbers. Nice work if you can get it. But don't the drivers prefer to have least a few people on board. Must be boring!! On the general subject, were the cancellations due to earlier works achieving more then planned, or problems delaying earlier work? If the latter, then presumably there will be an extra weekend disruption to catch up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 19:28:41 GMT
i believe the decision to cancel was taken on friday and the reasoning was two fold-a) the forecast of heavy snow and the desire to avoid the problems that snow caused last monday post posession and b) an ongoing dispute with transplant drivers at ruislip which led to the cancellation of all engineering trains on the previous week. the works planned this weekend will be rescheduled for another weekend.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 27, 2013 19:35:27 GMT
Presumably there is something in the contract with the bus operator regarding late cancellation. Although if the work is being re-scheduled, it sounds like passengers may be subjected to a replacement bus disservice another weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 22:03:14 GMT
Well I found the replacement bus very useful for the connection to Chiltern Railways at West Ruislip.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 7:34:21 GMT
There are cancellation clauses which are applied by all bus operators whenever a job gets cancelled at short notice. We had a number of sub-contractors on Saturday and they too would have expected to be renumerated. Like LUL if we call in staff, they expect to be paid. And the assets need to be paid for even if they sit idle. So I suppose someone has to weigh up the benefits of not standing the buses down verses any potential savings.
This is not the first time we have run buses in parallel with trains. In both cases the trains were running at reduced frequencies and were subject to last minute cancelations. As a result the buses shadowed the train service. This way, if we were needed the buses were already running and in position locally.
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