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Post by class411 on Jan 22, 2013 14:29:56 GMT
Someone suggested that the reason for the non introduction of S stock on the H&C line (11 trains backed up at the test track and no new stock working since the beginning of December) is that they are still training drivers.
How long does it take to get certified on a new type?
I know in aviation it can take anything from a couple of hours on a simple single engine type to many hundreds on jet transports.
Presumably normal (manual) driving is fairly similar from type to type and most of the time is spent on various error conditions and emergencies.
(And, also, is (manually) driving the newer stock easier with computer assisted acceleration and braking, or is it similar to earlier stock?)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 19:35:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 18:40:40 GMT
It's much easier manually driving a tube train in PM. There are no signal aspects, and the permitted speed is shown on the TOD. It is impossible to speed as the brakes will just go on. The need for route knowledge greatly reduced.
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Post by version3point1 on Feb 1, 2013 2:17:16 GMT
Ok... S stock...
Bar the actual broo-hah of sorting out when they can get the duties covered to actually train drivers, speaking as a cross-transfer from the Piccadilly line, I got a total of 5 days handling and 4 days of actual stock training defect handling. So a total of 9 days to train from one stock to another.
It also depends on the individual. The course I was given was actually the 8-day course designed for and targeted at Metropolitan line drivers going from A stock to S stock, not a lowly 1973 tube stock driver. I could've argued for the 8 days instead of cramming the course into 4, but that would've involved making some noise and quite frankly the S stock is easy enough to learn if you actually do a little reading when you get home of the actual textbook and defect book you are given to consolidate whatever was on the board earlier on that day. I was also quite fortunate in the fact that I was the only one in the classroom – the smaller the group, the quicker you can cover the day's agenda and then have more time to go over stuff.
I don't know whether the format for the actual defect handling stock test varies from stock to stock, but certainly when I learnt the 73 stock, I was given 8 defects, two of which were to do with the Main Line Air (Main Line bursts), one where you attempt to move the train and simply cannot move it for love nor money (No Forward Movement), and then scenario defects which involve you going along and then all of a sudden the thing starts crying at you for attention.
It was about the same for the S stock (I had a Main Line Burst, NFM, scenario defects, &c.), and I remember being in the simulator for about 15-20 minutes at most. You don't get a time limit, but obviously you want to seek to identify the defects and then resolve them as quickly as possible. And in terms of being licensed and "passing stock", if you don't pass your stock test day, then you potentially go back for more training until you do.
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Post by revupminster on Feb 1, 2013 11:22:29 GMT
the S7 is still at Upminster. Must be 6/7 weeks. In my day Upminster had 100 drivers (and guards) as did Parsons Green so training would take some time. Maybe its for the depot engineers because S7's kept at Barking would come up to Upminster for servicing.
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