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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 19:47:16 GMT
Hi All, My latest project is to replicate the Battery Loco cab from some pics I have. Now! control wise, I see it has many notches on the power handle for Series, Series/Parallel and Parallel. Looks about eight for each. I know these locos have no notching relays to control acceleration and its all done on the handle. The series notches must take out resistance from the motor circuits in series and parallel for parallel. My question is how do the Series/Parallel positions on the handle conrtol the resistances and how did the motorman know how quick to power up without tripping a trip. I can't see any ammeter in the cab anywhere. Thanks for any help. image ru
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Post by brigham on Jan 3, 2013 10:49:52 GMT
There are four motors to each machine, so three control ranges are available- all series, series-parallel, and all-parallel. The contactors are electro-pneumatic, to avoid having traction current passing through the controller fingers. I'm not sure whether resistances are used, or 'end cell' techniques for the intermediate notches. At least one had 'Metadyne' gear from some withdrawn passenger stock.
You don't need an ammeter to notch-up, any more than you need a rev. counter to change gear on a bus. You just learn the feel of it. If the canopy switch blows out, you 'don't do it again'!
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Post by Ben on Jan 3, 2013 10:59:20 GMT
All contactors are electro pneumatic? Interesting. Would have mused that electromagnetic contactors would be prefered, what with the experience of past passenger stocks
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Post by brigham on Jan 3, 2013 11:45:41 GMT
I was thinking that GEC controllers used electro-pneumatic contactors, and BTH electro-magnetic. I may be confusing GEC with British Westinghouse. It's a long time ago.
Anyone?
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Post by neilw on Jan 3, 2013 14:31:29 GMT
I think you are correct that GEC used EP contactors.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 20:26:14 GMT
Thanks for the reply guy's. Looks like these locos had really good controllability. I suppose they would need it for ultra slow ballasting and tamping duties and the likes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 0:00:31 GMT
An additional question about battery loco controls, how are the brakes controlled?
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Post by towerman on Jan 4, 2013 16:55:23 GMT
You could only isolate the motors in pairs if there was a defect,when you did this you didn't get any movement till series-parallel.Didn't half move off with a jolt!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 19:08:03 GMT
Brakes are pure Westinghouse I'm led to believe. No ep. So, does each loco have four motors, one on each axle?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 19:32:54 GMT
Brakes are pure Westinghouse I'm led to believe. No ep. So, does each loco have four motors, one on each axle? Ah thanks Will this be modelled in the game?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 21:07:10 GMT
You know us ;D. If TS2013 has the functionality it most certainly will.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 21:41:34 GMT
You know us ;D. If TS2013 has the functionality it most certainly will. Great! If only IHH did with his CIG/VEP
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Post by Ben on Jan 6, 2013 22:19:12 GMT
TS2013
Is that Trainz Simulator 2013, or what was formerly MS Train Simulator?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 0:45:07 GMT
TS2013 Is that Trainz Simulator 2013, or what was formerly MS Train Simulator? Train Simulator 2013, newest name for Rail Simulator or Railworks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 20:11:22 GMT
Just noticed there is a plate on the top plate in the right corner behind the actual throttle lever (It's hidden in the pic). I can make the word NOTCH out at the end of the text on it from other pics. Anyone know what it says?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 14:21:25 GMT
Do battery locos have retractable buffers or do they flip over onto the buffer beam for coupling to tube stock. It seems many photos are conflicting. Some show a big cylinder above each buffer and others have none. Are there two different designs?
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 22, 2013 11:44:33 GMT
Do battery locos have retractable buffers or do they flip over onto the buffer beam for coupling to tube stock. It seems many photos are conflicting. Some show a big cylinder above each buffer and others have none. Are there two different designs? Originally they had buffers that flipped over. At some time these were replaced by retractable buffers. Dates anyone? The "cylinder" is actually the cover for the buffer shank when extended to prevent it retracting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 12:11:51 GMT
Do battery locos have retractable buffers or do they flip over onto the buffer beam for coupling to tube stock. It seems many photos are conflicting. Some show a big cylinder above each buffer and others have none. Are there two different designs? Originally they had buffers that flipped over. At some time these were replaced by retractable buffers. Dates anyone? The "cylinder" is actually the cover for the buffer shank when extended to prevent it retracting. When they were converted to buckeye coupling - 1983-1988.
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 22, 2013 13:36:49 GMT
Originally they had buffers that flipped over. At some time these were replaced by retractable buffers. Dates anyone? The "cylinder" is actually the cover for the buffer shank when extended to prevent it retracting. When they were converted to buckeye coupling - 1983-1988. OK Thanks. One other thing I forgot to mention: The contactors were electro-magnetic. There were, IIRC, 27 steps, in 3 groups of 9 each. Acceleration was manual. I suppose this might have been changed by now. Does anyone know what modifications Battery Locos have had over the years apart from the coupler/buffer mods?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 23:36:57 GMT
Originally they had buffers that flipped over. At some time these were replaced by retractable buffers. Dates anyone? The "cylinder" is actually the cover for the buffer shank when extended to prevent it retracting. When they were converted to buckeye coupling - 1983-1988. Thanks for the info guys. Does the Battery Loco wedgelock still work for coupling to tube stock. Thought the Buckeye would get in the way.
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 31, 2013 10:05:12 GMT
Thanks for the info guys. Does the Battery Loco wedgelock still work for coupling to tube stock. Thought the Buckeye would get in the way. AFAIR there is a hinged Wedgelock coupler at tube height.
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Post by towerman on Feb 1, 2013 16:23:27 GMT
I think the braking system was changed from Westinghouse to Christianson,which is similar but more up to date.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 21:15:43 GMT
I think the braking system was changed from Westinghouse to Christianson,which is similar but more up to date. Haven't even heard of that one. How does that work? Do you know the differences?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2013 20:10:55 GMT
So! I'm trying to fathom out the electrics control circuit. I'm thinking along the line of when the motors are in series there are two banks of resistances, one for each bogie and pair of motors. The contactors must silmaltaneously switch out resistance until both motors on each bogie are connected in full series. I doubt wether the battery loco has a transition contactor and most probably drops the power to the motors to go into Series/Parallel configuration. Then, do we have the two banks of resistances being swithced out simultaneously, one for the motors on one bogie in parallel and one for the other two motors on the other bogie in series. Finally going into parallel with the resistances being switched out for both motors on both bogies. I've have totaly surmised this but would be greatful if anyone has any circuit diagrams they could share or clarify my description. Thanks
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Post by towerman on Feb 22, 2013 16:33:21 GMT
I haven't got any diagrams but from memory full series has each pair of motors in series with each other,series/parallel has each pair in parallel but still in series with each other(eg motors A& B in parallel with each other C & D likewise but A & B in series with C & D,full parallel has both pairs in full parallel.As to how Christianson brake works all I know is that it is very similar to Westinghouse but is quicker acting both in application & release.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2013 21:40:38 GMT
Ok! Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm now working on the speedo that's fitted in the cab. I take it it has two illuminated bars, one for target and one for actual but does it have any numbers displayed in the window as well to say whereabouts the bar is actually at? My picture is also quite blurry. Does anyone know what the buttons say on it. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 20:47:17 GMT
OK! Here's what I've achieved so far.Don't worry about the swaying cab just yet as that needs to be adjusted. See if you can recognise where we are.
Now! A few questions. Is the brake handle moving in the correct direction to apply the brake? Does the copper metal can above the pressure gauge have a lamp in it to light the gauge? What is the maximum speed of the Battery Loco? What compressor does the battery loco have and is that the correct sound? Does the speedo work on all lines? Where would the switch be to retract the buffers?
Any help much appreciated. Thanks. Darren.
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 10, 2013 22:24:16 GMT
Looks like Lillie Bridge to my untrained eye.
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Post by 1018509 on Apr 12, 2013 18:44:05 GMT
1. - I think the brake handle needs to point to the left in the "Release and Running" position. To apply brake pull towards you with left hand. The position you show it when running would be past the emergency brake position. (It can't go that far.)
2. - Yes
3. to 6. I've no ides but someone on here will be along soon I am sure.
7. - No switch it's, possibly a 2 man job to lift them, up and over, they are hinged at the top.
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Post by 1018509 on Apr 12, 2013 18:50:09 GMT
I think from reading other posts, breaking the habit of a lifetime :-], in this thread that I have answered your last question incorrectly. Obviously modified since my time.
Not that I am old, of course, but I can remember seeing the steam crane working in Ruislip depot.
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