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Post by 1018509 on Dec 29, 2012 21:46:24 GMT
Does the North Curve to Watford see a regular service or has it ever done so?
Will it play any part in the proposed diversion of the Metropolitan Line to Watford Junction?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 29, 2012 22:07:43 GMT
It does have a regular - though far from frequent - service, as there are a few trains scheduled to run that way very early and late in the service day. CULG suggests there may have been a more frequent service before 1960, when the limit of electrification was Rickmansworth.
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Post by slugabed on Dec 30, 2012 9:35:23 GMT
Will it play any part in the proposed diversion of the Metropolitan Line to Watford Junction? Sort of....there are maps floating about showing an intended Chiltern service from Watford Junction to (presumably) Aylesbury... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 21:09:27 GMT
Will it play any part in the proposed diversion of the Metropolitan Line to Watford Junction? Sort of....there are maps floating about showing an intended Chiltern service from Watford Junction to (presumably) Aylesbury... These maps including the Colne Valley Transit proposal have been around for @25 years! XF |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 11:12:25 GMT
CULG suggests there may have been a more frequent service before 1960, when the limit of electrification was Rickmansworth. Prior to 1961 the service to Watford and Rickmansworth saw a regular service running round the north curve. If I remember right it was at least 1 train an hour that operated as BKS - RKS - WTF - BKS and BKS - WTF - RKS - BKS. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 16:57:12 GMT
CULG suggests there may have been a more frequent service before 1960, when the limit of electrification was Rickmansworth. Prior to 1961 the service to Watford and Rickmansworth saw a regular service running round the north curve. If I remember right it was at least 1 train an hour that operated as BKS - RKS - WTF - BKS and BKS - WTF - RKS - BKS. What was the main reason for the service's withdrawal? |
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Post by metman on Dec 31, 2012 17:27:15 GMT
There was a Watford-Ricky service started in 1925 using the compartment shuttle cars c.1910 but this was canned quickly by the LTPB. I suspect the 20min service was competion with the LNWR Rickmansworth (Church St) - Watford Junction serivce.
I wasn't aware that daytime services ran much after 1933 except for start/end of day stock moves (some in service).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 19:15:33 GMT
I posted this before under another thread:
Although there was a Rickmansworth to Watford shuttle when the branch first opened this disappeared - not sure of the date. But I did remember there had been another service and dug out the May 2nd 1955 Met Line timetable. On Sundays there was roughly a 15 minute London to Watford service but with odd 30 minute gaps. About every other train was routed via Rickmansworth with a 4 minute reversal time. I have to assume this was to give Rickmansworth a better service rather than providing a Rickmansworth to Watford "shuttle" as the Sunday trains from London to Aylesbury were only every 45 minutes. And there were no Sunday British Railways trains from Marylebone to Aylesbury apart from the odd train going beyond Aylesbury and some of those only stopped at Harrow.
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Post by mrjrt on Jan 2, 2013 1:43:36 GMT
It's funny, when the various Croxley link options were put on the table the shuttle was dismissed as not viable as it'd need to run from Watford Met/Junction to Croxley, and a lot of work would have been needed. Rickmansworth however has a disused really short bay platform going begging, and is also in desperate need of some platform extensions so Chiltern can work towards running longer trains on that route. That said, Rickmansworth is loooong overdue the intended rebuild. At a minimum I'd like to see the fast lines extended though it as planned, abet with a turnback beyond the slow lines that could be used by Watford shuttles...and of course platform extensions to permit longer Chiltern services (6 or even 8-car would be nice). Ideally, it'd be good to have some grade-separation east of the station so that the slow lines could terminate in the two central roads with cross-platform interchange...but you can't have everything  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 9:36:15 GMT
It's funny, when the various Croxley link options were put on the table the shuttle was dismissed as not viable as it'd need to run from Watford Met/Junction to Croxley, and a lot of work would have been needed. Rickmansworth however has a disused really short bay platform going begging, and is also in desperate need of some platform extensions so Chiltern can work towards running longer trains on that route. That said, Rickmansworth is loooong overdue the intended rebuild. At a minimum I'd like to see the fast lines extended though it as planned, abet with a turnback beyond the slow lines that could be used by Watford shuttles...and of course platform extensions to permit longer Chiltern services (6 or even 8-car would be nice). Ideally, it'd be good to have some grade-separation east of the station so that the slow lines could terminate in the two central roads with cross-platform interchange...but you can't have everything Looking at the current passenger loadings from Watford Met you can see why this option was not considered this time. Hopefully when the Croxley Link is open and passenger numbers will increase then further travel options will be considered. XF |
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Post by metrailway on Jan 2, 2013 14:58:53 GMT
Surely the bay platform is way too short to be used for any passenger workings? I don't have any data but I doubt the bay platform is longer than 40m. We should take away at least 10 metres as you would need to add a sand drag/buffer etc. So you can just squeeze a bubble car in but no more.
The only way I can see a Ricky - Watford shuttle via the North Curve is for the service to come from Amersham/Chesham or to fully rebuild Ricky station and that is very unlikely!
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Post by metman on Jan 2, 2013 17:02:49 GMT
Exactly, even a platform extension south would be tricky and costly, talk of grade separated junctions is just fanciful!  LU doesn't seem bothered about the northern section of the Met so I doubt anything will happen! |
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Post by Antje on Jan 3, 2013 4:52:52 GMT
How did this topic end up as an announcement?
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 3, 2013 8:21:01 GMT
How did this topic end up as an announcement? A problem with touch screen interfaces is that there are buttons right where you start your swipe to scroll a page, this is how we ended up with one of the daily quizzes being an Announcement the other month. Anyway, back to the North Curve.... |
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Post by Ben on Jan 3, 2013 10:55:00 GMT
metrailway is close enough, platform 3 at Ricky is just over 44m.
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Post by metman on Jan 3, 2013 19:29:53 GMT
They only just squeezed the two car T stock sleet train into it back in the day.
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Post by drpete on Jan 20, 2013 14:02:12 GMT
It would be nice if there was a service from Watford Junction towards Amersham, even if it was relatively infrequent. I'd certainly use it. I wonder as well whether Chiltern might eventually want to run services to Watford that way too. It'd certainly make connections to the WCML easier.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 14:27:14 GMT
A change at Moor Park is more cost effective as there is usually enough spare capacity to cope with what at present is very light traffic flow.
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