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Post by greatkingrat on Dec 17, 2012 18:48:31 GMT
According to the TfL site, the District line will be closed from 27-30 Dec between "Wimbledon, Edgware Road, Hammersmith, South Kensington and Kensington (Olympia)."
How can District line trains reverse at Hammersmith without completely screwing up the Piccadilly? West Kensington would seem a more logical reversing point, but then why wouldn't they run there in passenger service?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 17, 2012 20:54:56 GMT
According to the TfL site, the District line will be closed from 27-30 Dec between "Wimbledon, Edgware Road, Hammersmith, South Kensington and Kensington (Olympia)." How can District line trains reverse at Hammersmith without completely screwing up the Piccadilly? West Kensington would seem a more logical reversing point, but then why wouldn't they run there in passenger service? It is not possible for EB District trains to access Hammersmith siding so trains must run forward to West Kensington and Lillie Bridge depot. As mentioned when this happened before, there are only adequate staff to detrain at Hammersmith EB. |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 17, 2012 21:30:35 GMT
According to the TfL site, the District line will be closed from 27-30 Dec between "Wimbledon, Edgware Road, Hammersmith, South Kensington and Kensington (Olympia)." How can District line trains reverse at Hammersmith without completely screwing up the Piccadilly? West Kensington would seem a more logical reversing point, but then why wouldn't they run there in passenger service? It is not possible for EB District trains to access Hammersmith siding so trains must run forward to West Kensington and Lillie Bridge depot. As mentioned when this happened before, there are only adequate staff to detrain at Hammersmith EB. Why can't they reverse at West Ken via the crossover? This is a passenger move, so no need to detrain. Or is it LU making the decision that because passengers don't listen to their 5000 announcements, it's easier to tip them off at Hammersmith where pther connections are available. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 17, 2012 21:48:56 GMT
Why can't they reverse at West Ken via the crossover? This is a passenger move, so no need to detrain. Or is it LU making the decision that because passengers don't listen to their 5000 announcements, it's easier to tip them off at Hammersmith where pther connections are available. There is a need to detrain. A train cannot be berthed within the two sets of points, so an EB train would need to stop at the car mark, detrain and shunt ahead to clear the points at the west of the station. Which is why it is easier to run an empty train straight into Lillie Bridge with hardly a stop. |
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Post by Tom on Dec 18, 2012 10:09:49 GMT
I remember looking at the reversing berth at West Ken about a year ago during options evaluation for the S7 works. The conclusion we came to was that whilst the situation there had been used for reversing for many years, that was not why it was there and the wrong direction starter (WC9?) was installed to control the movement of trains from Lillie Bridge, not ones which reversed at West Ken.
As a D stock cannot fit the berth (I doubt an 8 car R stock could either) and S7 will definitely not fit in the available berth, one of our recommendations was to cease reversing in West Kensington EB platform and make all reversers go via Lillie Bridge.
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Post by railtechnician on Dec 18, 2012 10:54:50 GMT
I remember looking at the reversing berth at West Ken about a year ago during options evaluation for the S7 works. The conclusion we came to was that whilst the situation there had been used for reversing for many years, that was not why it was there and the wrong direction starter (WC9?) was installed to control the movement of trains from Lillie Bridge, not ones which reversed at West Ken. As a D stock cannot fit the berth (I doubt an 8 car R stock could either) and S7 will definitely not fit in the available berth, one of our recommendations was to cease reversing in West Kensington EB platform and make all reversers go via Lillie Bridge. Back in the day when the District routinely ran 6 car R stock outside the rush hours would they not have reversed there? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 13:59:51 GMT
Could have done, but until 1991 Picc's used to reverse there early morning and late at night. I regularly used the 04.20 staff train from Uxbridge to West Kensington in the 1960s and early 1970s when it was 1959 Stock. The stopping mark was beyond the station starting signal on top of the points leading to Lillie Bridge depot (but set for the EB District), so that the train could clear the points at the west end of the station. Even with the east end pair of doors 'cut out' (closed), the second set of double doors were still off the platform - and open!
On that basis, 1973 Stock was similar and I assume likewise D Stock.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 14:39:24 GMT
Trains reversing via WC9 have to pull forward of WB34 (E/B Starter) as a D stock dont fit. And as mention before Hammersmith has alot more staff to cater for a detrainment. I dont believe West Ken as been used for booked reversing since Lillie Bridge Depot has been used to stable passenger trains
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 16:21:21 GMT
Think you're right.
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Post by metman on Dec 18, 2012 18:23:52 GMT
There are also better onward connections from Hammersmith too.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 19, 2012 21:42:08 GMT
I regret that i need to apologise for some misinformation on my part, on 27-30 December trains will indeed run empty from Hammersmith but reverse at West Kensington station and not into Lillie Bridge depot.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 30, 2012 10:32:15 GMT
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Post by metman on Dec 30, 2012 23:54:56 GMT
I see how tight it is there now. Thanks for the photos.
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Post by londonstuff on Dec 31, 2012 0:38:08 GMT
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) using the crossover yesterday.
