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Post by cso on Nov 1, 2012 0:21:59 GMT
Had an odd occurence on the Picadilly line today, which almost looked like Selective Door Opening, but I didn't think they had that...
I think it was Hatton Cross and Heathrow Terminal 4, when the driver opened the door only half the doors in the front car opened - the one nearest the driving cab AND half of the one in the middle stayed shut and the rest opened.
The driver realised at Terminal 4 as he got out, and managed to open them again, but I didn't think this was possible...
Any explinations?
Edited by SE13 to correct the spelling of PICCADILLY
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 0:49:28 GMT
Beno got a video of a Central line train with only some doors opening at Liverpool Street. Here's a link: The driver didn't notice but with some people's shouts, he re-opened the doors and it worked. Probably another bad driver problem...
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Post by v52gc on Nov 1, 2012 7:16:49 GMT
The 73 Stock can cut out those doors, it's referred to as "End Door Cut Out" and will only operate in the first car.
It's used for small over-runs, reversing east to west at Kings Cross and west to east at Hyde Park Corner.
It's operated by a switch on the bulkhead door buttons and sometimes it can get clipped by a shoulder or something and there is no warning indication for it.
imdbmtirt, could you please extrapolate on "another bad driver problem". Do you mean the one in CSO's situation? It's not a very nice thing to say or the right thing if so; the driver was actually the opposite of "bad" as he went straight back to open the doors. If its just a general sweeping comment about drivers brought upon by this example I ask that you do a little more research and I would be interested in knowing why you think and claim this.
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Post by class411 on Nov 1, 2012 7:49:52 GMT
Probably another bad driver problem... ? ??
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Post by plasmid on Nov 1, 2012 23:39:46 GMT
At Stratford on a 92ts a few years back the driver opened all the double doors and left the single leaf doors closed. Not sure if that's possible or if it was a glitch/fault.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 14:47:37 GMT
Probably another bad driver problem... ? ?? I didn't mean the driver was bad, I meant the driver had a "bad problem" with the train because only some doors opened.
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Post by Alight on Nov 2, 2012 17:51:18 GMT
This has happened to me before on a '73; I was ready to board through the first set of doors of the first car as the train pulled in but those doors didn't open. I thought the driver didn't like me!
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Post by class411 on Nov 2, 2012 18:28:25 GMT
? ?? I didn't mean the driver was bad, I meant the driver had a "bad problem" with the train because only some doors opened. Oops, sorry, my mistake.
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Post by v52gc on Nov 3, 2012 8:39:02 GMT
I didn't mean the driver was bad, I meant the driver had a "bad problem" with the train because only some doors opened. Oops, sorry, my mistake. Ditto
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Post by superteacher on Nov 14, 2012 22:00:53 GMT
At Stratford on a 92ts a few years back the driver opened all the double doors and left the single leaf doors closed. Not sure if that's possible or if it was a glitch/fault. Probably a glitch, as there would be no obvious reason to do that on purpose, especially at a busy station like Stratford.
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Post by 1018509 on Nov 21, 2012 23:22:04 GMT
73 stock have selective close which leaves 1 double door and a single leaf open IIRC. As the selective close door valves are AC and the ordinary close valves are DC a too short a press on the buttons can occasionally cause some odd effects.
This is from memory probably years out of date by now. :-)
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Post by SE13 on Nov 22, 2012 0:55:45 GMT
The 73's do have a selective door opening option. Gawd knows how they do it, but I think it's restricted to the front and rear unit.
There will be a Piccadilly driver on here somewhere that can confirm and explain. (Hopefully)
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Post by Colin on Nov 22, 2012 1:15:55 GMT
There is no such thing as selective opening *, but there is selective close which works as described in reply #10 To summarise: - End door cut out does exactly that, at either end of a train (depending on selection in cab), and is used for slight over runs or short platforms.
- Selective close will close most doors on a given train, but will leave at least one doorway open on each car. Selective close is used in winter to help reduce heat loss inside the cars.
If anything else happens with the doors, it is usually some sort of fault. In the case of an opening error, maybe like that described in the OP, its probably a simple case of the message to open not reaching the door motors - a few presses of the open buttons will normally sort it and on this occasion that appears to have happened as mentioned in the OP. Closing issues can also be solved by pressing the close button a few times to make sure all door motors get the message.......but there is another more usual culprit when it comes to door closing issues - obstructions. Be it people, bottles, cans or even news papers; Obviously removing the obstruction removes the fault! * D stock does have selective re-opening but that is irrelevant in the context of this thread.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 22, 2012 1:26:15 GMT
Is it a doub;le door and a single leaf? My recollection from long waits at hammersmith, when I was young and more often out late at night before refurbishment * was that it was a single door and the adjacent leaf of the double set next to it - presumably they are driven off the same motor/actuator/door engine.
(*of the trains that is - I'm still in original condition but long overdue for an overhaul)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 20:50:16 GMT
I've not known too short a press of the open buttons to cause a "selective open" scenario, only where it causes the DVA not to function.....frequently.
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Post by Ben on Dec 16, 2012 5:59:07 GMT
As Norbitonflyer says, adjacent doors are controlled via rodding from the same door motor. Selective close will close all doors except for "two-door leaves on each non-driving motor car and three leaves on a driving motor car".
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Post by 1018509 on Dec 16, 2012 16:38:34 GMT
Is it a double door and a single leaf? My recollection from long waits at Hammersmith, when I was young and more often out late at night before refurbishment * was that it was a single door and the adjacent leaf of the double set next to it - presumably they are driven off the same motor/actuator/door engine. (*of the trains that is - I'm still in original condition but long overdue for an overhaul) I think this is what I meant. I've not known too short a press of the open buttons to cause a "selective open" scenario, only where it causes the DVA not to function.....frequently. During train prep I have seen this happen on the odd occasion. Mind you this is during testing 16 trains from each end and opening and closing the doors both sides from each end three times mainly pre-refurb and all an age ago.
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Post by jimjams on Dec 16, 2012 19:47:15 GMT
There is no such thing as selective opening *, but there is selective close which works as described in reply #10 To summarise: - End door cut out does exactly that, at either end of a train (depending on selection in cab), and is used for slight over runs or short platforms.
- Selective close will close most doors on a given train, but will leave at least one doorway open on each car. Selective close is used in winter to help reduce heat loss inside the cars.
If anything else happens with the doors, it is usually some sort of fault. In the case of an opening error, maybe like that described in the OP, its probably a simple case of the message to open not reaching the door motors - a few presses of the open buttons will normally sort it and on this occasion that appears to have happened as mentioned in the OP. Closing issues can also be solved by pressing the close button a few times to make sure all door motors get the message.......but there is another more usual culprit when it comes to door closing issues - obstructions. Be it people, bottles, cans or even news papers; Obviously removing the obstruction removes the fault! * D stock does have selective re-opening but that is irrelevant in the context of this thread.I often wondered why all the tube lines do not allow customers to open the doors themselves (like the Overland) at least when above ground to save heat loss in the winter plus I guess a saving in power usage etc and would also help to keep my poor old knees warm.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 20:44:04 GMT
There is no such thing as selective opening *, but there is selective close which works as described in reply #10 To summarise: - End door cut out does exactly that, at either end of a train (depending on selection in cab), and is used for slight over runs or short platforms.
- Selective close will close most doors on a given train, but will leave at least one doorway open on each car. Selective close is used in winter to help reduce heat loss inside the cars.
If anything else happens with the doors, it is usually some sort of fault. In the case of an opening error, maybe like that described in the OP, its probably a simple case of the message to open not reaching the door motors - a few presses of the open buttons will normally sort it and on this occasion that appears to have happened as mentioned in the OP. Closing issues can also be solved by pressing the close button a few times to make sure all door motors get the message.......but there is another more usual culprit when it comes to door closing issues - obstructions. Be it people, bottles, cans or even news papers; Obviously removing the obstruction removes the fault! * D stock does have selective re-opening but that is irrelevant in the context of this thread.I often wondered why all the tube lines do not allow customers to open the doors themselves (like the Overland) at least when above ground to save heat loss in the winter plus I guess a saving in power usage etc and would also help to keep my poor old knees warm. Time saving to be honest, I'm surprised the Overground trains dont have their doors set to open when the doors are released.
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