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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 12:36:51 GMT
Just wondering why so much work has been done on Camden Road existing platforms instead of re-aligning the track to the north and re-instating two northern platforms?
I'm asking because isn't it pretty much certain that in the next ten to fifteen years, the overground tracks will have to be re-aligned to a new northern set of platforms to make way for either HS2 or HS1 links as these will take the current southern alignment as a way through to the West Coast route?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 13:19:56 GMT
I think you’ll find that the N-S platforms belonged to the Camden Road station on the Midland Railways line out of St. Pancras which closed in 1915, roughly 500m north east of the current Camden Road which was called Camden Town until 1950 and where the platforms have always been E-W.
If the realigned the platforms for HS2, etc, where would the NLL go?
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Post by andypurk on Oct 1, 2012 14:14:45 GMT
Just wondering why so much work has been done on Camden Road existing platforms instead of re-aligning the track to the north and re-instating two northern platforms? I'm asking because isn't it pretty much certain that in the next ten to fifteen years, the overground tracks will have to be re-aligned to a new northern set of platforms to make way for either HS2 or HS1 links as these will take the current southern alignment as a way through to the West Coast route? TIA Surely this only affect the southernmost of the existing platforms, as access would still be needed to the other platform if they used the other two tracks. The northern pair of tracks were scheduled for reinstatement as part of the NLL upgrade (allowing longer freight loops), but the bridges needed more work than was affordable. Plans for HS2 only show a single track connection through Camden Road and are likely to need further development at the junction to the west of the station, otherwise trains using the link would seriously eat into the NLL capacity. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 1, 2012 18:32:21 GMT
Just wondering why so much work has been done on Camden Road existing platforms instead of re-aligning the track to the north and re-instating two northern platforms? I'm asking because isn't it pretty much certain that in the next ten to fifteen years, the overground tracks will have to be re-aligned to a new northern set of platforms to make way for either HS2 or HS1 links as these will take the current southern alignment as a way through to the West Coast route? TIA HS2 is not approved or funded so why on earth would Network Rail or TfL be spending vast sums to deal with a tentative (at best) project? There is no finalised design solution for Camden Road so even if something was done there is no certainty that it would be "future proof". If plans were firm and there was a sensible way of avoiding abortive expenditure while not losing passenger benefits (from providing lifts) then I would agree with your basic stance. We might be able to ponder the future but we can't guarantee it! |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 5, 2012 4:11:20 GMT
If the southern pair of tracks are taken over by HS2 then the lift to the island platform will be used to access both HS2 and NLL, the southernmost lift will be taken over by HS2 and a new lift to the northernmost platform for LO will be funded by HS2. In effect LO will have paid for one of HS2's lifts and HS2 will have paid for one of LOs.
HS2 almost certainly wont stop at Camden Road often, but if the site is suitable it could function as a temporary terminus when the route intocentral London is blocked for any reason.
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Post by christopher125 on Oct 5, 2012 22:36:53 GMT
I cant recall any suggestion that through services would call at Camden Road - with limited capacity on the NLL and the extra width/platform alterations needed for the larger loading gauge its likely only one line will be available, and the station is neither convenient or suitable for the 400m long international services that will be using the link.
As a temporary/emergency terminus it wouldn't be much help either - in the unlikely event that trains cant proceed into Euston, turning back at Old Oak Common would be the only practical option... though it would be amusing seeing the passengers from a 400m double deck train trying to squeeze onto a 378!
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Post by andypurk on Oct 6, 2012 0:33:19 GMT
I also think it is very unlikely that Camden Road would ever be used for terminating HS2 trains. If any trains from HS2 had got this far, then they are more likely to just run into St. Pancras, using the existing connection (the Silo Curve) installed as part of HS1.
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