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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 13:45:04 GMT
Has anyone noticed that the 1938 Bakerloo Line model and the 1959 Central line model have inconsistencies to the real thing?
1. The Bakerloo model is missing the "No Smoking" roundels in the windows when the real train has them.
2. The door bumpers on the Bakerloo model are red when on the real train they are black.
3. The door bumpers on the Central model are silver when on the real train they are black.
4. The Central model only has 2 white lights, the red light on the front missing when the real train has all 3. The 1962 Northolt model is correct though.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 8, 2012 15:01:08 GMT
As for "4", I believe that, as built, neither the 1959 nor 1962 stock had the red parking light.
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Post by neilw on Sept 8, 2012 17:30:58 GMT
as for point 4, the stabling lights were indeed a modification in the mid 1970s. 62 stock is on the left looking face on, 59 stock on the right, due to differences in cab layout between MG and MAR equipment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 19:16:06 GMT
IMO this is somewhat nit picking - if it does bother you that why not add the detail yourself. I wanted EFE to make fully working tube stock but they don't so I did it myself!
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Post by gantshill on Sept 8, 2012 19:46:31 GMT
This is probably going off topic, but my recollection of smoking/non-smoking cars in the 1970s is that on the Central line, one of the centre cars (T or NDM) in each unit was a smoking car, whilst the others were non-smoking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 19:53:43 GMT
Non-Smoking cars:
Situation at October 1971 revised to be:
Metropolitan, Victoria and Central – increased from 4 cars to 6 – i.e. 6 out of 8.
Bakerloo, Northern and Piccadilly – increased from 4 cars to 5 – i.e. 5 out of 7.
Hammersmith and Circle – increased from 3 cars to 4 – i.e. 4 out of 6, but dependent on detachable No-Smoking labels being available.
Metropolitan 4-car – increased from 2 to 3 – i.e. 3 out of 4.
No change to District Line.
Smoking banned on trains 9/7/84 and on deep level and sub-surface stations 17/2/85. With the King's Cross Fire, the rest is history.
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Post by astock5000 on Sept 9, 2012 0:27:42 GMT
1. The Bakerloo model is missing the "No Smoking" roundels in the windows when the real train has them. The Bakerloo unit has roundels in the windows on the trailer and NDM only, similar to the Northern line 38TS model. The Piccadilly line 38TS (and all other units except the 62TS with LU roundels and the 59TS in corporate livery that have no smoking stickers on all cars) has them on the DMs only. These three units have overhaul dates from 1949 - 1952. 2. The door bumpers on the Bakerloo model are red when on the real train they are black. 3. The door bumpers on the Central model are silver when on the real train they are black. This is also the case on the Northern line 38TS. They were the first releases and at that time EFE didn't paint some of the smaller parts of the livery. On the 38s the marker lights that are supposed to be switched off were not painted a darker colour, which they did on more recent models. It is similar to how the early EFE bus models didn't have registrations printed on them. The model that is inaccurate is the one commissioned by the LT Museum of the preserved 1938 stock unit. This is because it was based on Picc models that EFE couldn't sell. The car numbers and destinations were changed, but the roof is dark grey instead of brown and the model has cream window pillars (although they were covered on the ELL set that was also 're-worked' from the Picc unit). There is also an error, at least on my unit, the A end DM has been renumbered to 11012 instead of 10012, and the 'D' DM 10012 instead of 11012. This could be solved by swapping the bodies and changing the letters on the cab ends. |
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Post by metman on Sept 9, 2012 21:36:07 GMT
There are lots of bits that are wrong but at least EFE made a model. The main problem is the door fault light. Only the EHO trains had them for the 1938 stock. Thw 1959/62 stock A end car has the door fault light in the wrong place too. But I have amended mine. Some of the underframe detail needs a little work but it's better than building kits!
My main complaint is the lack of available models. They are difficult to come by....
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Post by neilw on Sept 10, 2012 8:18:01 GMT
I agree Metman. The models are basically OK, and with a bit of work can be made really good. The most obvious error to me are the LT markings on the T and NDM of the 59 stock, but these are easily removed with a bit of care. The inside seat and floor colours can also be corrected. I am planning to super-detail a set of mine with wire handrails etc when time and effort permit!
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Post by metman on Sept 10, 2012 16:04:55 GMT
I was going to ask about the 1959/62 stock transfers. How easy are these to remove?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 17:16:04 GMT
I think this issues it should be considered in the context of the models were designed for- Non - working representations of 1938/1959 Underground stock using mass production techniques! Everyone has a there own criteria as to what is acceptable and to be honest I bet the majority of modellers don't give a flying fig about missing no smoking signs. The 3 or 4 screws and the car bodies are easily removed so you can stick no smoking signs inside the cars. How inconsiderate of EFE not to include a screwdriver to achieve this!  Anyway I will now crawl back into my oyster shell! XF |
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Post by neilw on Sept 11, 2012 17:26:51 GMT
I was going to ask about the 1959/62 stock transfers. How easy are these to remove? I used meths and a cotton bud, works fine if you're delicate. Be careful which solvents you use or you'll melt the plastic! |
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Post by metman on Sept 11, 2012 18:22:32 GMT
Thanks. I'll give it a try on my NDM. I was thinking of using a 1959/62 NDM as a 1949 UNDM after I'd modified the bogies.
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