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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2012 11:41:07 GMT
I was wondering does anyone have pictures of the roundels of Heathrow Central from 1977 and when the name changed in 1983 to Heathrow Central Terminal 1,2,3?
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Post by SE13 on Sept 1, 2012 2:24:16 GMT
I seem to recall some pictures, bear with me and I'll twawl through the archives.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 9:44:29 GMT
Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 12:29:13 GMT
Has anyone had any luck locating pictures yet?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 16:35:10 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 18, 2012 16:41:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 8:55:48 GMT
They will look better if they were still called Heathrow Central.
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Post by crusty54 on Oct 20, 2012 10:18:37 GMT
They will look better if they were still called Heathrow Central. You may get your wish. Terminal 2 is already gone. When all the rebuilding of the terminals is complete the area will revert to being called Heathrow Central. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 16:13:15 GMT
So why was Heathrow named Heathrow Central? Is it because the station is located at center of the airport complex? It would have been fine as just Heathrow.
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Post by castlebar on Nov 10, 2012 16:32:24 GMT
@ pritpal
You're almost right.
That part of the name was used to differentiate it from "North" which is where a lot of flights were based until the early 1960s. Pan Am, T.W.A. and other transatlantic flights ofter used the North terminal until then, so the bit through the tunnel (ALL of it), was always "Central"
Aircraft were loaded either at "Central" or "North" until Terminal 3 was built
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Post by su31 on Nov 10, 2012 22:50:22 GMT
@ pritpal You're almost right. That part of the name was used to differentiate it from "North" which is where a lot of flights were based until the early 1960s. Pan Am, T.W.A. and other transatlantic flights ofter used the North terminal until then, so the bit through the tunnel (ALL of it), was always "Central" Aircraft were loaded either at "Central" or "North" until Terminal 3 was built But the station didn't open until 1977... |
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Post by Deep Level on Nov 10, 2012 23:27:55 GMT
I often wonder why the Heathrow Stations don't show the National Rail Interchanges.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 0:25:51 GMT
So when Heathrow Central was renamed Heathrow Central Terminals 123 on the tube map in 1983 in prep for the opening of T4 in 1986 did the roundels change at the station or did they continue to use the Heathrow Central roundels until the official renaming & opening of T4 in 1986?
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Post by su31 on Nov 11, 2012 1:48:00 GMT
I often wonder why the Heathrow Stations don't show the National Rail Interchanges. Possibly because the Heathrow Express & Connect don't accept Oyster PAYG or Travelcards, and are not counted as within the zones. Might be too confusing... |
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Post by crusty54 on Nov 11, 2012 6:30:04 GMT
I often wonder why the Heathrow Stations don't show the National Rail Interchanges. Heathrow Express and Connect are not National Rail services |
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Post by andypurk on Nov 11, 2012 12:23:02 GMT
I often wonder why the Heathrow Stations don't show the National Rail Interchanges. Heathrow Express and Connect are not National Rail services Oh yes they are, full ticketing is available to/from any National Rail destination, including use of Railcards. The services are fundamentally no different from Hull Trains or Grand Central, being operated outside the franchise system (at least over the Heathrow link). Connect, of course, is run on behalf of First Great Western from Paddington - Hayes and Harlington. |
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Post by Deep Level on Nov 11, 2012 12:47:04 GMT
Heathrow Express and Connect are not National Rail services Oh yes they are, full ticketing is available to/from any National Rail destination, including use of Railcards. The services are fundamentally no different from Hull Trains or Grand Central, being operated outside the franchise system (at least over the Heathrow link). Connect, of course, is run on behalf of First Great Western from Paddington - Hayes and Harlington. Heathrow Connect is jointly run by First Great Western & HEX. |
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Post by andypurk on Nov 11, 2012 13:09:24 GMT
Oh yes they are, full ticketing is available to/from any National Rail destination, including use of Railcards. The services are fundamentally no different from Hull Trains or Grand Central, being operated outside the franchise system (at least over the Heathrow link). Connect, of course, is run on behalf of First Great Western from Paddington - Hayes and Harlington. Heathrow Connect is jointly run by First Great Western & HEX. Actually it is run entirely by HEX crews, but operates the local service on the mainline on behalf of First Great Western. |
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Post by Deep Level on Nov 11, 2012 13:29:49 GMT
I never remember mentioning the crew. The company is jointly operated by both HEX and FGW, both BAA & FirstGroup have a say in it's operation hence why there's First logos's on the trains.
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Post by andypurk on Nov 11, 2012 19:26:54 GMT
I never remember mentioning the crew. The company is jointly operated by both HEX and FGW, both BAA & FirstGroup have a say in it's operation hence why there's First logos's on the trains. We seem to be splitting hairs (especially as it is clear that the Connect service is part of National Rail). But you said , not that the company was jointly owned. Indeed, I don't know that there really is a company, as opposed to a joint venture. FGW have no input into the day-to-day running of the service, which is all HEX; the presence of First logos is because the services use the franchise's paths from Paddington - Hayes and provide the stopping service on behalf of First. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 11, 2012 19:43:15 GMT
Can you imagine it LU was run like this?
You'd have the Metropolitan Line trains with Picadilly Line logos on the side because they operate the Pic' service from Rayners to Uxbridge!
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Post by abe on Nov 12, 2012 10:18:01 GMT
Going back to the original question from Deep Level, I suspect that the reason for not showing the logo is because there is no real reason to interchange between the Piccadilly line and HEx at Heathrow (except, possibly, for a handful of passengers). The Heathrow stations are almost always going to be used for the start and finish of journeys. The stations also have no physical connectivity - interchange would have to be via the airport buildings.
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Post by crusty54 on Nov 12, 2012 20:37:57 GMT
Heathrow Express and Connect are not National Rail services Oh yes they are, full ticketing is available to/from any National Rail destination, including use of Railcards. The services are fundamentally no different from Hull Trains or Grand Central, being operated outside the franchise system (at least over the Heathrow link). Connect, of course, is run on behalf of First Great Western from Paddington - Hayes and Harlington. With respect if the HEX platforms at Heathrow were part of National Rail they would have to display the double arrow symbol in the station signage. |
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Post by Deep Level on Nov 12, 2012 23:42:38 GMT
Going back to the original question from Deep Level, I suspect that the reason for not showing the logo is because there is no real reason to interchange between the Piccadilly line and HEx at Heathrow (except, possibly, for a handful of passengers). The Heathrow stations are almost always going to be used for the start and finish of journeys. The stations also have no physical connectivity - interchange would have to be via the airport buildings. Heathrow Terminal 5 have HEX and LU services in the same station building. |
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Post by metrailway on Nov 13, 2012 0:41:23 GMT
Heathrow Express is not National Rail. For instance the National Rail Conditions of Carriage do not apply to Heathrow Express services and Heathrow Express has its own Conditions of Carriage.
If one attempts to buy tickets at Heathrow Express operated booking offices/ticket machines, they will not be able to offer you a full range of tickets (e.g. you won't be able to buy a ticket to Colwyn Bay). You would also receive a ticket which looks similar to the standard BR/NR ticket but with the orange stripes replaced with blue and no double arrow sign.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 13, 2012 7:32:12 GMT
Heathrow Terminal 5 have HEX and LU services in the same station building. Not much use as an interchange though - like the "interchange" between Pic and Met at Uxbridge |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 14:22:14 GMT
So anyway back to the topic at hand. I managed to get a hold of a Terminals 1,2,3 trackside roundel made out of formica material, it was taken down when the station went under refurbishment in 2011.
I spoke to the LT museum inquiring about a Heathrow Central roundel and they have 1 at the museum in there collection. They told me that any others may have been destroyed or passed on to the Friends of the Museum or sold. An alternative would be to talk to someone that worked at the LU Heathrow project office.
I am trying to find out if anyone knows how to get a hold of one. Does anyone have or is friends with the museum or know anyone that might have worked at the Heathrow project office?
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Post by crusty54 on Dec 15, 2012 15:02:09 GMT
The change from Heathrow Central was a long time ago and the signage at the station was all melamine and was probably thrown away as it was not of any commercial value then. There was no project office at the station for this.
The Friends of the LT Museum did not exist at the time.
Sorry if this is a disappointment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 15:47:50 GMT
Well according the the museum curator I spoke to the Heathrow Central sign they got they only received in July of this year from the project office and it was then accessioned.
Apparently they were being held by the project office, that is why i am keen to locate one as they might still be floating around.
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