Which way to Clapham Junction?

I think announcing a Clapham Junctrion service as being to either Bramley or Brighouse would be a little confusing!

It would make for a slightly greener view from the window though.

Indeed, although pax will be able to board the Clapham Junction via Peckham Rye service and change at Dalston Junction for the next train which is to West Croydon.

Random sample journey:

Stratford - Clapham Junction service (NLL/WLL):
H+I: 0734 CLJ: 0823 Time taken: 49 minutes
Highbury - Clapham Junction service (ELL/SLL):
H+I:0747 CLJ: 0837 Time taken: 50 minutes

HOWEVER: The Working Timetable shows that the ELL service gets in at 08:34 technically, but shown as 08:37.

In reality, you won't realise I'm sure

As both routes run every fifteen minutes, presumably then there is also an NLL service at 0749, arriving CJ 0838? So the NLL is marginally quicker, but whichever train comes first will get you there first.

However, those timings mean the trains pass between H&I and Canonbury. I note in the present timetable that the ELL takes two minutes from H&I to Canonbury, whilst the NLL takes four. ( In the reverse direction the numbers are respectively five and three!) So that means from Canonbury it will always be quicker to take the ELL, even if the NLL train comes first.

Canonbury 0744 - NLL - CJ 0838
Canonbury 0749 - ELL - CJ 0837

How will it work at Clapham Junction? Should one always take the first train, or always take the ELL, or always take the NLL? And is the answer the same whether your destination is H&I, Canonbury or Dalston?

Will the signage make this clear? or will it be like the hugely misleading signage at my local station, which suggests there are six trains an hour to London, without mentioning that two of them go the long way round, taking 47 minutes instead of 30 by the direct route, and are overtaken by a direct train that leaves five minutes later and arrives twelve minutes earlier.

However the enamel route diagrams in the station do show that part of the Circle (and stations) which is quicker from each platform. Therefore some of the guesswork is removed.

When the new platforms opened at Highbury all the new signs were still uncovered. I took this snap of the signs which show the services from platforms 2 and 7. Now TfL / LOROL might modify this but it shows Clapham Junction as accessible via either platform. It also suggests there is a service to each southern branch which isn't strictly correct but it's no different to how the tube is portrayed despite complex service patterns on some lines.

www.flickr.com/photos/24759744@N02/4660065461/in/set-72157624059569335

In any case, I don't think many people will be going all the way 'round via Shoreditch High Street
The [NW]LL has the advantage of being cheaper than the Vic and Southern. To travel via the [ES]LL takes more time than this, yet goes through zone 1, so costing the same



I'd do this at Haggerston, so as not to have to walk around the buffers if the train is leaving from Platform 2

Does anyone know how the new route from Highbury to Clapham J will be fitted into the in-car diagrams?
Here is a station diagram showing the route.

Now that there are less than twelve weeks to go you can see the times on Journey Planner, and thinking about it it may be something like this>

Squeezing four trains into every fifteen minutes would ideally have a service pattern of 3/4/4/4 minutes between trains, but there is a complication.
The Forest Hill line has a 5-minute interval service, with every fifteen minutes,
two trains from the ELL (to West Croydon and Crystal Palace) and
one train from London Bridge (to Caterham, or to Victoria via Gipsy Hill)
Inserting thye London Bridge services results in a 5/10 minute interval into the ELL services via Forest Hill. On the core the CJ and NX services have to fit round this.

The ELL intervals therefore have to be either 2/3/5/5 (with one NX or CJ service fillling the 5 minute gap between Forest Hill services and the other filling the ten minute gap. Alternatively, you could go for 5/3/4/3, with no train in the five minute gap between the two Forest Hill trains.
The constraints of operation at the two northern ELL termini require alternate trains to go to H&I. As the Forest Hill line trains are consecutive, one will go to H&I and one to DJ. Similarly the NX and CJ trains - one will terminate at DJ and one at H&I.
Why it should be the CP and CJ trains which go the extra mile I don't know, but it seems that H&I has to have one of the NXG services: it can't have both, nor can it have neither!