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Post by d7666 on May 23, 2012 19:07:17 GMT
i see today the CRT CIS screens on platforms 1-4 replaced by larger flat screens.
This evening was first time been through there this week, but I'm, sure there were still CRTs in place at least on 1&2 late last week, so I assume it was done over the weekend ?
I was wondering how long those CRTs were going to last.
My travels are generally limited to the inner zones, are there CIS CRTs anywhere else now ?
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Post by Colin on May 23, 2012 20:06:08 GMT
I know LU is a fan of acronyms, but can you please add an indication of what you're talking about in plain English please? CIS  CRT |
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Post by astock5000 on May 23, 2012 20:21:08 GMT
CRT is Cathode Ray Tube, I'm not exactly sure about what CIS means, but the post seems to be about the screens which show the next trains from each platform.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 20:22:53 GMT
CIS- Customer Information Screen
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Post by d7666 on May 23, 2012 20:28:34 GMT
 too many TLA's ? CIS = customer information SYSTEM (or at least thats what CIS stands for in my work) CRT - I am a bit surprised that needed explaining, you know CRT v. TFT TV's and PC's -- Nick
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Post by kabsonline on May 23, 2012 21:11:36 GMT
I don't think there are any anywhere else on LU. I may be wrong. Why have they chosen to use these instead of replacing them with the normal dot matrix board things. Surely those would be better for the Met as you would be able to see the times of the next few trains, especially with all the branches the Met has |
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Post by causton on May 23, 2012 21:40:39 GMT
Kabs: You must not know how the Met operates  Because the Met line has Baker Street as a terminus for many trains, and has trains with different calling patterns, I believe these CIS screens are more appropriate than the bog standard ones. One screen shows all of the next trains and one per platform shows the next train on that platform which works very well and is more like a National Rail station. Pictures? Sure!  New departure screens at Baker Street by -Causton-, on Flickr  New departure screens at Baker Street by -Causton-, on Flickr |
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Post by mrfs42 on May 23, 2012 23:06:10 GMT
Is it too much to hope that the typeface is changed to something nicer than Helvetica Narrow? I suppose there's some ghastly DDA requirement - but AIUI those CIS screens are in breach of LU's own agreed signage standards. |
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Post by causton on May 23, 2012 23:42:04 GMT
I think they could at least make the station names (i.e. Harrow on the Hill and Chalfont & Latimer) correct! Then worry about the awful font |
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Post by mrfs42 on May 23, 2012 23:50:12 GMT
I think they could at least make the station names (i.e. Harrow on the Hill and Chalfont & Latimer) correct! Then worry about the awful font I did notice 'hill', but I would suggest that Chalfont&Latimer is a deliberate attempt at pseudo-grammar - either that or the person who programmed the computer does not understand the difference between the conjunction 'and' and the ampersand. In the purest [1] usage the last line of the display should read 'Chalfont & Latimer and Chesham'. [1] ..er.. I might mean 'most correct' but then again I might not.... |
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Post by causton on May 24, 2012 15:13:34 GMT
I agree, I would be happy with 'Chalfont & Latimer and Chesham'. It seems they have tried to just ignore current standards and replicate the old CIS screens, shown below: www.flickr.com/photos/jaggers/7071946513/..without any regard to how they could improve (apart from adding a clock to the corner!) |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 15:26:55 GMT
They are abit shoddy arnt they! But LCD colour TV screens like these are far better than dot matrix rubbish. They would look brilliant if they actually followed the LU standards, especially with New Johnston font
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Post by redsetter on May 24, 2012 17:51:47 GMT
this was mentioned the other day,those dot matrix boards are no good.arriva use them on many buses and there's no comparison to a normal blind that has much more clarity.their ok at a bus stop and no more.
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Post by Alight on May 24, 2012 18:09:17 GMT
Sad news indeed! They always reminded me of teletext. For those who don't know, these were installed in the late '80s (I believe it was 1989 to be precise, but I'll double check in one of the archive London Transport annual reports).
It's funny, I was speaking to another member on here a while back who joked that he wouldn't mind having one for collection when they're finally replaced...let's hope they haven't chucked them away!
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Post by t697 on May 24, 2012 18:18:15 GMT
The CRT displays in the subway under the Met platforms and leading to the Jub & Bak escalators are still there this evening although one is failed and has been for a while.
Does seem a shame the new screens are not NJ font, when you think about how firm LU was about NJ (well, as near as poss) on the S stock Dot Matrix displays.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 7:46:19 GMT
Aren't these simply new screens which display the same data as the old CRT screens? Or is the underlying system new as well?
To me, they're far better than dmi displays - easier to see the entire stopping pattern of the train wheras you can miss it in a scrolling dmi display.
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Post by causton on May 25, 2012 15:12:39 GMT
Aren't these simply new screens which display the same data as the old CRT screens? Or is the underlying system new as well? . Looks like it, either that or they've made a new system which looks exactly the same as the old one...! |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 15:42:59 GMT
It looks ever so slightly different to me, and not just because of the different displays...
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Post by d7666 on May 25, 2012 16:11:38 GMT
Apparently the old CRTs dated from about 1986.
I always though they looked very much like the main line Midland Suburban Electrification era (Bed-Pan) PIS screens replaced ~2009.
Not been through the Baker Street subway levels myself since seeing the flat screens on the platforms.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 16:39:00 GMT
Apparently the old CRTs dated from about 1986. I always though they looked very much like the main line Midland Suburban Electrification era (Bed-Pan) PIS screens replaced ~2009. Not been through the Baker Street subway levels myself since seeing the flat screens on the platforms. -- Nick ..this may well answer a question I have been pondering for a while....: I have vague memories of platform-mounted huge "hidden until lit" train indicator boards at Baker Street with loads of sections to display all of the possible train permutations. - I was wondering when these were replaced........? - I assume the recently-replaced CRT screens were installed to replace these from what's been written in this thread. Does anyone have any pictures of these old leviathan train indicators in question ? - Anyone else shed any more light on them, and when they went ? |
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Post by d7666 on May 25, 2012 16:49:57 GMT
- either that or the person who programmed the computer does not understand the difference between the conjunction 'and' and the ampersand. While I do not dis-agree with your comment, if one strictly only uses ampersands at Baker Street where ampersands shouild be used, then those 'heritage' large illuminated signs over both ways of the passage between the H&C EB platform and the Met. have to be altered too as they say in their respective directions ... & Whitechapel on one side and ... & Amersham on the other - or whatever the two last listed stations on each are, I pass under the things at least twice a week and can't remember the 5(?) stations listed on each. -- Nick |
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Post by mrfs42 on May 25, 2012 17:00:00 GMT
- either that or the person who programmed the computer does not understand the difference between the conjunction 'and' and the ampersand. While I do not dis-agree with your comment, if one strictly only uses ampersands at Baker Street where ampersands shouild be used, then those 'heritage' large illuminated signs over both ways of the passage between the H&C EB platform and the Met. have to be altered too as they say in their respective directions ... & Whitechapel on one side and ... & Amersham on the other - or whatever the two last listed stations on each are, I pass under the things at least twice a week and can't remember the 5(?) stations listed on each. I can't remember if they are '[station] and [station] & [station]' which is plain wrong, if they are '[station], [station] & [station]' then that's fine *if* the ampersand is there to help the visual balance of the sign. |
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Post by abe on May 27, 2012 10:48:17 GMT
The original CRT monitors were installed in early Feb 1990.
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Post by t697 on Jun 26, 2012 19:35:21 GMT
The ones in the passage under the Met platforms were replaced last night. 5 new flat screens seems to be one for each platform and one summary. Definite improvement in that they are all working!
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Post by allan60 on Jun 26, 2012 19:44:25 GMT
The ones in the passage under the Met platforms were replaced last night. 5 new flat screens seems to be one for each platform and one summary. Definite improvement in that they are all working! They were replaced on Saturday night |
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Post by t697 on Jun 26, 2012 19:52:49 GMT
Ah well, I must have been on auto pilot last night on the way home! Anyway the new ones are better and seem to fit in well. Still a shame no NJ font.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2012 19:58:35 GMT
The one for Platform 1 is fuzzy, there are pen markings on the signs above, there's chicken wire around them and it still says Harrow-on-the-hill. Shoddy!
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Post by t697 on Jun 26, 2012 21:31:48 GMT
The one for Platform 1 is fuzzy, there are pen markings on the signs above, there's chicken wire around them and it still says Harrow-on-the-hill. Shoddy! Oh, isn't that normal for stations work? Nothing ever has to be finished off properly does it?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2012 23:37:23 GMT
Although the work is yet to be finished and approved. Chicken wire is often used as a temporary (sic) method to prevent rubbish build up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 22:47:47 GMT
It is a shame they don't follow branding standards. Branding standards are important because they give customers, mostly the ones who aren't that familiar with the station and network, a bit of confidence in what they're doing. Seeing an information display that looks out of place can create a nagging feeling of having accidentally wandered off piste. It might seem trivial to us, but these little things are important for the nervous Tube noob.
I too agree they're better than DMIs due to be able to display more information with greater clarity. We should use higher resolution displays more widely. It is the 21st century after all. For example, on the buses in Geneva, their equivalent of the DMIs inside is a standard display showing not just the next stop, but the next few. That would be great to have in our buses.
Has anyone else noticed how when DMIs scroll, the text looks italic? Must be the refresh playing tricks on our eyes.
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